Before Visual Editor was invented, we complained about people starting
editing right away and making mistakes. I'm not sure this is a
completely tool-linked issue ;-)

A.

On 15 October 2013 18:42, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
> That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start
> editing articles right away.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg
> <sosterb...@wikimedia.org>wrote:
>
>> Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.r...@wikimedia.in>
>>
>> > Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a
>> > tendency of making errors.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali <jan.ain...@wikimedia.se>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified
>> with
>> > > something like:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&enablevisualeditor=1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that
>> > > link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea.
>> > >
>> > > *Med vänliga hälsningar,
>> > > Jan Ainali*
>> > >
>> > > Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige <
>> > http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
>> > > >
>> > > 0729 - 67 29 48
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin <cfrank...@halonetwork.net>
>> > >
>> > > > Hear hear.
>> > > >
>> > > > I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't
>> possibly
>> > > win,
>> > > > given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on
>> > > enwiki
>> > > > (see
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=574251354
>> > > > ,
>> > > > for those who aren't aware).  Turn it on, turn it off; either way
>> > someone
>> > > > gets upset.
>> > > >
>> > > > From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on
>> > the
>> > > > new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without
>> > > having
>> > > > to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user
>> preferences
>> > > > page?
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers,
>> > > > Craig
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell <
>> > > richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk
>> > > > >wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when
>> > training
>> > > > new
>> > > > > editors isn't my preferred method.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Richard
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk <vand...@wmnederland.nl>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Hello,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
>> > > > > > possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning
>> of
>> > > the
>> > > > > > session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget
>> > that
>> > > > > > beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the
>> more
>> > > > > > you can reduce, the better.
>> > > > > > Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like
>> Wikipedia
>> > > but
>> > > > > > is best suited to use in trainings.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Kind regards
>> > > > > > Ziko
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
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>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès <charles.andres.w...@gmail.com>:
>> > > > > > > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out
>> option
>> > > > > > (disable visual editor) :-(
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Charles
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
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>> > > > > > > Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador <
>> > kwadzo...@gmail.com>
>> > > a
>> > > > > > écrit :
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> Hello Charles,
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration
>> > > > process.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab.
>> > > > > > >> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box
>> > beside
>> > > > > > Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces)
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> OR
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Follow this link
>> > > > > >
>> > > >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
>> > > > > > >> Then repeat step 2 above.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Hope it helps.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Thanks.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Regards,
>> > > > > > >> Enock S. Nyamador.
>> > > > > > >>
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>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres <
>> > > > > > charles.andres.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> Dear all,
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> In our new education program with youngs in scholar
>> > difficulties,
>> > > we
>> > > > > > have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the
>> visual
>> > > > > editor
>> > > > > > activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of
>> > editing.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for
>> a
>> > > > > > specific user?
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Thanks
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Charles
>> > > > > > >>
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