Thanks Balazs! All 20 spaces on the workshop are now taken. :)
On 6 Dec 2013 18:48, "Balázs Viczián" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > As this event supposed to target guys like me, let me give you a short > feedback about the program. > > I see nothing practical, nothing useful in it. It is full of defining this, > defining that sessions. And they are extremely long. > > Not a word about financial planning, not a word about community management > (as "chapter's community") nothing about volunteer recruitement, not a word > about negotiating (as negotiating skills, including convincing techniques > and other related knowledge) cost management (cost cutting, replanning), > managerial approaches and attitudes (managerial skills and styles, best > practices), etc. etc. The line is long. > > I see no practical skills discussed, except if the aim is to make us able > to discuss chapter-related __theoretical__ things in a much deeper way than > before. Ever. Nice to have clear visions for the future though but what > this event covers is about 20% of what is called "management" altough I had > to admit, it is the most interesting 20%. For me too. > > Cheers, > Balazs > > *Balazs Viczian* > Executive Vice President > *Wikimédia Magyarország Egyesület* > > Tel: +36 70 633 6372 > Mail: [email protected] > Web: www.wikimedia.hu Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazin< > http://huwiki.blogspot.hu> > Facebook: Magyar Wikipédia <https://www.facebook.com/hu.wikipedia> > > > 2013/12/6 Chris Keating <[email protected]> > > > Hi Laura, > > > > Actually I hope both larger and smaller organisations will gain from this > > event. Larger organisations' boards certainly need training and support > as > > much as smaller ones, though there are different challenges at different > > stages of development. > > > > I'm pleased to say of the people who have registered so far there is a > > broad mixture from three continents and I hope we will be able to fund as > > many people as possible. > > > > It would certainly be great if there was more support available for > > organisations just starting out, available for free. So far as I know, > > no-one has ever taken a synoptic look at the support and development > needs > > of Wikimedia movement organisations and tried to work out how to meet > them. > > Who might take that on and how it might be funded is an open question. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chris > > Hi Chris, > > > > If there is only one Wikimedia Foundation board recognised thematic > > organization, why did you chose to use a plural? And The Wikinewsie > Group > > has aff-comm recognition, and as the Board has never rejected an aff-comm > > recommendation, I don't particularly see the problem. > > > > What I do see as problematic is WM-UK organizing this conference, talking > > about chapters moving towards professionalism in the context of the > > Wikimedia Movement while charging chapters and a thematic organization to > > attend, selecting a hotel for participants to stay at that costs above > the > > per diem rate that the WMF funds for, and then saying there is the > > expectation that it will not be an issue for people to attend with the > high > > registration fee and high accomodation costs because these will not be > > incurred by individuals but by their organizations. > > > > As the Movement appears to be having a discussion about finacial > > responsibility and effect use of donor funds, that sort of approach > appears > > to run counter to all of that. No explanation other than "We talked down > > the price!" appears to have been forth coming as to why a place was > > selected that costs roughly USD$200 a night. There is no agenda for this > > conference to understand why the conference is worth that expensive > costs. > > The people presenting clearly are not in need of the conference as it is > > Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia DE, Wikimedia PL, Wikimedia France. These are by > > and large the chapters with FDC funding or access to independent sources > of > > funding. They are clearly not being targetted for training. The people > > who appear to be targetted as attendees are ones who have no money... and > > you're off to charge them large amounts. > > > > I don't see how these costs, which you expect to be absorbed by donor > > funds, are a good use of those funds. I don't see how expecting people > to > > incur expenses over around USD$850 to attend a two day conference ($400 > for > > two nights, $65 for registration, $230 for a flight from somewhere close > in > > Europe, $50 to get to the event from the airport, $100 in food) where the > > thing starts out by violating WMF guidelines. > > > > What knowledge exactly are you planning to pass on to people from less > > developed chapters? Fiscal responsibility, best use of donor funds, > > following WMF's best practices for grant funding... These are off the > > table? What else is there? > > > > Sincerely, > > Laura Hale > > > > On Friday, December 6, 2013, Chris Keating wrote: > > > > > Hi Laura, you can bypass the registration fee by selecting "other > payment > > > option" in the way I said. > > > > > > In response to another off list query, I should point out that > > > unfortunately this workshop is only open to existing (incorporated & > > > recognised) chapters/thorgs, not those still in planning or awaiting > > > recognition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > mobile: 635209416 > > twitter: purplepopple > > blog: ozziesport.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
