Can you explain how such a {{Reasonator}} template would actually work. You
say that it would be a stand-in until the article was actually written, but
how would it know when the article is actually written? Is there a way to
access the target article's state via Lua?From a community perspective, linking to external sites from body content is normally frowned upon (on en.wiki at least), even if the link is to a sister project. There are two main reasons for this: 1. It discourages the creation of new articles via redlinks 2. It can be confusing for readers to be sent to other sites while surfing Wikipedia content. (This is one of reasons why the WMF Multimedia team has been developing the Media Viewer.) My suggestion would be to leave the redlinks intact, but to provide a pop-up when hovering over the redlinks (similar to Navigation pop-ups ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups)). This pop-up could provide a small set of core data (via an ajax request) and also a link to the full Reasonator page. I would probably implement this as a gadget first and do a few design iterations based on user-feedback before proposing it as something for readers. Ryan Kaldari On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com > wrote: > On a technical note, Reasonator is pure JavaScript, so should be easily > portable, even to a Wikipedia:Reasonator.js page (or several pages, with > support JS). > > git here: > https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/reasonator > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Ryan Lane <rlan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Gerard Meijssen > > <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > At this moment Wikipedia "red links" provide no information whatsoever. > > > This is not cool. > > > > > > In Wikidata we often have labels for the missing (=red link) articles. > We > > > can and do provide information from Wikidata in a reasonable way that > is > > > informative in the "Reasonator". We also provide additional search > > > information on many Wikipedias. > > > > > > In the Reasonator we have now implemented "red lines" [1]. They > indicate > > > when a label does not exist in the primary language that is in use. > > > > > > What we are considering is creating a template {{Reasonator}} that will > > > present information based on what is available in Wikidata. Such a > > template > > > would be a stand in until an article is actually written. What we would > > > provide is information that is presented in the same way as we provide > it > > > as this moment in time [2] > > > > > > This may open up a box of worms; Reasonator is NOT using any caching. > > There > > > may be lots of other reasons why you might think this proposal is evil. > > All > > > the evil that is technical has some merit but, you have to consider > that > > > the other side of the equation is that we are not "sharing in the sum > of > > > all knowledge" even when we have much of the missing requested > > information > > > available to us. > > > > > > One saving (technical) grace, Reasonator loads round about as quickly > as > > > WIkidata does. > > > > > > As this is advance warning, I hope that you can help with the issues > that > > > will come about. I hope that you will consider the impact this will > have > > on > > > our traffic and measure to what extend it grows our data. > > > > > > The Reasonator pages will not show up prettily on mobile phones .. so > > does > > > Wikidata by the way. It does not consider Wikipedia zero. There may be > > more > > > issues that may require attention. But again, it beats not serving the > > > information that we have to those that are requesting it. > > > > > > > I have a strong feeling you're going to bring labs to its knees. > > > > Sending editors to labs is one thing, but you're proposing sending > readers > > to labs, to a service that isn't cached. > > > > If reasonator is something we want to support for something like this, > > maybe we should consider turning it into a production service? > > > > - Ryan > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > undefined > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
