Not to mention demanding excuses and delivering such high expressions of
politesse as this one:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWikimedia_Argentina%2FOpen_letter_regarding_URAA&diff=7665183&oldid=7665158

I'll repeat it here for the record: I'm sorry and I offer our apologies if
any Commons admin felt offended or personally touched by our words. We keep
them, though, because the situation that motivated us to make our voice
heard in that terms has not changed. It is always hard to find the exact
tone in a multilingual community as ours, even including cultural
disagreements about the nature of open letters as Cristian has noted. Our
language was intended to be hard, not rude, and I apologize if anyone
considers we crossed that line.

We remain convinced that something is fundamentally wrong when its
practical result is self-inflicting the highest possible loss of contents.
And we remain convinced that there is space for a way more prudent
implementation of URAA that prevents deleting educational resources until
there is complete copyright information and no legal alternative, which to
our understanding (and to our interpretation of WMF's communications) can
mean waiting for DMCA takedown notices.

Best,

Galileo


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Carlos M. Colina <ma...@wikimedia.org.ve>wrote:

> And what about the [apparently lack of] self-criticism of some Commons
> sysops/admins?
>
> I think being able to accept criticism and moreover being able to say
> "hey, somebody is questioning what we do. Why would that be?" instead of
> plainly rejecting any questioning, is one essential part of civility..
>
> M
>
> El 27/02/2014 09:19 p.m., Pierre-Selim escribió:
>
>  Still no explanation (nor appologies) on usage of inappropriate wording
>> towards volunteer by the board of Wikimedia Argentina.
>>
>> It quite amazing when almost all projects have policies on civility ...
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-27 0:24 GMT+01:00 geni <geni...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>  On 26 February 2014 22:39, Galileo Vidoni <gali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  [Sorry for this excurse]
>>>>
>>>> Dear Geni, the 20 years indeed come from article 24 of law 11 723. The
>>>> 25
>>>> years come from the Berne Convention.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But that merely established a minimum under international law. Unless you
>>> have some case law that says otherwise I'd suggest that article 6 applies
>>> to unpublished photographs which results in an effective term of life+10
>>> for unpublished photographs (although life+30 could be gained through
>>> careful timing of publication).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  In any case, Argentine copyright law
>>>> is already known and documented in Commons, and we have been using a
>>>> specific template (PD-AR-Photo) for years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> See the last section of the template talk page which covers some of the
>>> issues the template has with US law. I'm afraid years of use doesn't mean
>>> that it has been reviewed by common's more serious copyright nerds.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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