On the other hand, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatham_House_Rule

A long successful history associated with the Chatham House Rule.

It sounds like some variation on this was intended for the meeting.


-george william herbert
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On Apr 7, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No. You may want to look at
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Standards_in_Public_Life>
> this does not include keeping things secret just because someone said
> "let's keep this secret". The exact opposite is true, if you are in a
> trusted public position then you must show leadership for integrity,
> honesty and openness even if this does mean explaining your actions
> that you thought would stay in-camera under a "gentleman's agreement".
> To do otherwise, as has been readily demonstrated by the history of UK
> Government political networks, corrupts the movement by turning the
> "higher ranks" into an Old Boys Club who are more likely to find ways
> to cover up for each other, rather than be seen to be accountable.
> 
> It goes on to spell out that [Chapter Trustees] "are accountable for
> their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves
> to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office." Calling Tomasz a
> troll as a way of dismissing a serious question about statements made
> in meetings that Wikimedia donors paid for about the volunteer
> community is not unreasonable. Had whomever said these things, came
> forward and explained their point of view, in the same way as the
> always delightful Christophe Henner has in this thread, then they
> would have my respect and be seen to comply with the Nolan principles.
> 
> In comparison to Christophe's openness, Chris Keating's responses to
> good faith questions about this workshop before it happened,[1] in
> particular his blatantly dismissive replies to long term Wikimedian
> well known activist Effeietsanders, seem well below how we expect
> someone who has formally signed up to the Nolan principles as part of
> the UK trustee code[2] to behave. As Michael Maggs is the one with a
> duty as the UK Chairman to enforce this code, I am sure folks will be
> welcome to ask him about these matters, and his expectation for
> behaviour from his board members, both when in closed or open meetings
> or on this email list, during the open meetings at the Wikimedia
> Conference later this week. I hope such a discussion does not get
> turned around into "how do we stop Tomasz from trolling us by asking
> difficult questions".
> 
> Links:
> 1. 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Boards_training_workshop_March_2014#Typo.3F
> 2. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Trustee_Code_of_Conduct
> 
> Fae
> 
> On 7 April 2014 15:44, Béria Lima <berial...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> *"@Fae:  I  do  not  think  that  it  is  within the spirit of the Nolan
>>> Principles  to  break  a  promise given to participants..."*
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry but quote someone on a on-line journal does not break the promise
>> of secrecy? If they speak believing they would never be quoted, put their
>> words on the Wikipedia Signpost isnt breaking that?
>> 
>> _____
>> *Béria Lima*
>> 
>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 April 2014 09:53, eLib Project <elibproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all!
>>> 
>>> As  I have been helping out with wikipedias from time to time, here my
>>> 5 cent:
>>> 
>>> @Fae:  I  do  not  think  that  it  is  within the spirit of the Nolan
>>> Principles  to  break  a  promise given to participants... there is no
>>> trade-off    possible    between   the   principles for the principles
>>> (Leadership, Honesty, Integrity  Selflessness Objectivity vs Openness,
>>> Accountability ?!).   That  is,   after   all   the   basic   concept  of
>>> principles  -  that  they  are even followed when you don't want to or
>>> like to.
>>> 
>>> @discussion culture: To get to a decision, everyone must be allowed to
>>> express  her/or  himself in a discussion without fearing repercussions
>>> afterwards   -   otherwise  you  just  get  yes-people  who  will  not
>>> participate   or   worse,   tell  you what you want to hear. Why it is
>>> important to say something stupid like "fuck the community" is because
>>> it came right from the inside, without prior going through a filter...
>>> with   this   reaction  people will filter and you will not only loose
>>> dumb but also intelligent contributions.
>>> 
>>> @future  (sarcasm  warning):   if   you   do  not  wish  this  sort of
>>> comments,  just  say  so in a  general   sense - YES, it's possible to
>>> get the message across without a  witch/wizard  hunt  and  even CHANGE
>>> the  rules  for  the  next time... learning without burning... how the
>>> world could have looked if this had been used more often...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> gego
>>> 
>>> 
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