Hoi,
From where I stand ie Wikidata, the license we use is CC-0. When a GLAM
wants to share data it has to be CC-0. When it is CC-by or CC-by-sa, we
cannot use it. We do not retrieve it from their database we will find the
same data from elsewhere where there is no such burden.

When people use CC-by-sa data in for instance Wikipedia, we do harvest that
information because once it is embedded in Wikipedia, it is no longer part
of the original database that prohibits us from using it based on the
database rights. At that point it is part of a completely different set of
information. It is retrieved one factoid at a time and the origin of the
data is no longer an issue.
Thanks,
      GerardM


On 8 April 2014 10:40, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gerard,
> I think you mean "There are organisations that want to share CC-0
> information with us under a CC-0 license and there are those who want
> to share CC-0 information under a CC-by
> license." We are fine with organizations sharing CC-by information
> under a CC-by license, no?
>
> O and I agree completely on the Wikidata thing.
>
> Jane
> PS: I also agree that the person who said these words is, in fact a
> member of the community like the rest of us and therefore has every
> right to use those words in a meeting during which community issues
> are being discussed. I have heard worse in discussions by members of
> one part of the community (Commons people) talking about other members
> of the community (Dutch Wikipedians) and the other way around. Maybe
> it's a cultural thing and we swear a lot in our internal meetups in
> the Netherlands, dunno about that, but I never felt offended when I
> heard these statements and in context have agreed with both parties.
>
> 2014-04-08 8:22 GMT+02:00, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
> > Hoi,
> > Take one step back. What our aim is, is to share in the sum of all
> > knowledge. Arguably, this is the main and overriding objective of what we
> > do. There are many strategies to get to the point where we share
> > information. From where I stand, with Wikidata we have the opportunity to
> > do better than with an only Wikipedia strategy: with Wikipedia we share
> the
> > sum of knowledge that is available in one Wikipedia and with Wikidata we
> > share in the sum of all the knowledge that is available to us.
> >
> > Wikidata provides access to more information than any Wikipedia by a
> large
> > margin.
> >
> > There are those in our communities who aim to restrict the practices that
> > realise Wikidata as the resource of information that is available to us.
> To
> > say it in a political correct way, they can be and should be ignored.
> There
> > are organisations that want to share information with us under a CC-0
> > license and there are those who want to share information under a CC-by
> > license. The later can and should be ignored as well.
> >
> > However, when I am to argue these points in a private setting, I will say
> > that they can screw themselves. It is to make the point forcefully, it is
> > to hammer on the fact that our objective is not the community but the
> > sharing of knowledge. Yes, the community is important but that is the
> > extend of it. When we can gain authoritative information provided by a
> > GLAM, we should not consider the fact that we can enter all that
> > information by hand. Those who want to add statements by hand can do so
> but
> > they should not force their behaviour and attitudes on others.
> > Thanks,
> >       GerardM
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8 April 2014 00:45, Hubert Laska <hubert.la...@gmx.at> wrote:
> >
> >> With all due respect, Gerard, not the bearer ofthe message, Tomas, is
> the
> >> problem, the problem arises where there are people who can make
> decisions
> >> with far-reaching consequences - and be selected for it - but then
> assume
> >> one for me unacceptable position against that group whose services are
> the
> >> basis for their own position.
> >>
> >> Fuck the Community, who cares, was not the only thing, much worse for me
> >> is the meaning, that free knowledge is easier to buy than to get by
> edits
> >> and edits.
> >>
> >> Of whose money? By those who make one edit after the other? Taking
> photos,
> >> one after another and upload them?
> >>
> >> I know Steffen good enough and I know, that he is able to tell apart
> >> explanations which happens within an special group dynamic process. If
> >> this
> >> has occured, he would not have written this in his blog.
> >>
> >> h
> >> Am 07.04.2014 12:52, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
> >>
> >>  Hoi,
> >>> What is it that you intend to do. Hang them and, hang them high??
> >>>
> >>> You already know that it was in a very emotional moment ...
> >>>
> >>> What is your objective? What do you expect as a result and how will
> that
> >>> be
> >>> in everyone's benefit??
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>       Gerard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 7 April 2014 12:16, Tomasz W. Kozlowski <tom...@twkozlowski.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Ziko van Dijk wrote
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   I think that a single quote by a unnamed "female Wikimedian", said
> in
> >>>>
> >>>>> public or in private, is a very small basis for any substantiate
> >>>>> criticism...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Thanks to Chris e-mail's, we now know that the comment was made
> during
> >>>> a
> >>>> public session (though I can't find the relevant section in the
> minutes
> >>>> on
> >>>> Meta).
> >>>>
> >>>> That the identity of the person is currently unknown is due to the
> fact
> >>>> that it has not been revealed by other participants in that workshop;
> >>>> I'm
> >>>> sure Chris, and Steffen, and other people know very well who that
> person
> >>>> is.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm used to the secrecy, but I find it deeply disturbing that such a
> >>>> comment could have been made during a public workshop "in passing";
> >>>> however, it would fit perfectly in the alleged divisions between some
> >>>> chapters and their respective communities.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where the idea that a single entity (here: a chapter) knows better
> >>>> what's
> >>>> best for a community than the community does itself come from, I'm not
> >>>> sure.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>                  Tomasz
> >>>>
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