On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hoi, > From where I stand ie Wikidata, the license we use is CC-0. When a GLAM > wants to share data it has to be CC-0. When it is CC-by or CC-by-sa, we > cannot use it. We do not retrieve it from their database we will find the > same data from elsewhere where there is no such burden. > > When people use CC-by-sa data in for instance Wikipedia, we do harvest that > information because once it is embedded in Wikipedia, it is no longer part > of the original database that prohibits us from using it based on the > database rights. At that point it is part of a completely different set of > information. It is retrieved one factoid at a time and the origin of the > data is no longer an issue. > Thanks, > GerardM > Why are we talking about the license of Wikidata in this thread? Come to think of it, why are we still talking at all in this thread? > > > On 8 April 2014 10:40, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Gerard, > > I think you mean "There are organisations that want to share CC-0 > > information with us under a CC-0 license and there are those who want > > to share CC-0 information under a CC-by > > license." We are fine with organizations sharing CC-by information > > under a CC-by license, no? > > > > O and I agree completely on the Wikidata thing. > > > > Jane > > PS: I also agree that the person who said these words is, in fact a > > member of the community like the rest of us and therefore has every > > right to use those words in a meeting during which community issues > > are being discussed. I have heard worse in discussions by members of > > one part of the community (Commons people) talking about other members > > of the community (Dutch Wikipedians) and the other way around. Maybe > > it's a cultural thing and we swear a lot in our internal meetups in > > the Netherlands, dunno about that, but I never felt offended when I > > heard these statements and in context have agreed with both parties. > > > > 2014-04-08 8:22 GMT+02:00, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > > > Hoi, > > > Take one step back. What our aim is, is to share in the sum of all > > > knowledge. Arguably, this is the main and overriding objective of what > we > > > do. There are many strategies to get to the point where we share > > > information. From where I stand, with Wikidata we have the opportunity > to > > > do better than with an only Wikipedia strategy: with Wikipedia we share > > the > > > sum of knowledge that is available in one Wikipedia and with Wikidata > we > > > share in the sum of all the knowledge that is available to us. > > > > > > Wikidata provides access to more information than any Wikipedia by a > > large > > > margin. > > > > > > There are those in our communities who aim to restrict the practices > that > > > realise Wikidata as the resource of information that is available to > us. > > To > > > say it in a political correct way, they can be and should be ignored. > > There > > > are organisations that want to share information with us under a CC-0 > > > license and there are those who want to share information under a CC-by > > > license. The later can and should be ignored as well. > > > > > > However, when I am to argue these points in a private setting, I will > say > > > that they can screw themselves. It is to make the point forcefully, it > is > > > to hammer on the fact that our objective is not the community but the > > > sharing of knowledge. Yes, the community is important but that is the > > > extend of it. When we can gain authoritative information provided by a > > > GLAM, we should not consider the fact that we can enter all that > > > information by hand. Those who want to add statements by hand can do so > > but > > > they should not force their behaviour and attitudes on others. > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 April 2014 00:45, Hubert Laska <hubert.la...@gmx.at> wrote: > > > > > >> With all due respect, Gerard, not the bearer ofthe message, Tomas, is > > the > > >> problem, the problem arises where there are people who can make > > decisions > > >> with far-reaching consequences - and be selected for it - but then > > assume > > >> one for me unacceptable position against that group whose services are > > the > > >> basis for their own position. > > >> > > >> Fuck the Community, who cares, was not the only thing, much worse for > me > > >> is the meaning, that free knowledge is easier to buy than to get by > > edits > > >> and edits. > > >> > > >> Of whose money? By those who make one edit after the other? Taking > > photos, > > >> one after another and upload them? > > >> > > >> I know Steffen good enough and I know, that he is able to tell apart > > >> explanations which happens within an special group dynamic process. If > > >> this > > >> has occured, he would not have written this in his blog. > > >> > > >> h > > >> Am 07.04.2014 12:52, schrieb Gerard Meijssen: > > >> > > >> Hoi, > > >>> What is it that you intend to do. Hang them and, hang them high?? > > >>> > > >>> You already know that it was in a very emotional moment ... > > >>> > > >>> What is your objective? What do you expect as a result and how will > > that > > >>> be > > >>> in everyone's benefit?? > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Gerard > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 7 April 2014 12:16, Tomasz W. Kozlowski <tom...@twkozlowski.net> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Ziko van Dijk wrote > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I think that a single quote by a unnamed "female Wikimedian", said > > in > > >>>> > > >>>>> public or in private, is a very small basis for any substantiate > > >>>>> criticism... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks to Chris e-mail's, we now know that the comment was made > > during > > >>>> a > > >>>> public session (though I can't find the relevant section in the > > minutes > > >>>> on > > >>>> Meta). > > >>>> > > >>>> That the identity of the person is currently unknown is due to the > > fact > > >>>> that it has not been revealed by other participants in that > workshop; > > >>>> I'm > > >>>> sure Chris, and Steffen, and other people know very well who that > > person > > >>>> is. > > >>>> > > >>>> I'm used to the secrecy, but I find it deeply disturbing that such a > > >>>> comment could have been made during a public workshop "in passing"; > > >>>> however, it would fit perfectly in the alleged divisions between > some > > >>>> chapters and their respective communities. > > >>>> > > >>>> Where the idea that a single entity (here: a chapter) knows better > > >>>> what's > > >>>> best for a community than the community does itself come from, I'm > not > > >>>> sure. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Tomasz > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list > > >>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >>>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > , > > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list > > >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
