On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hoi,
> From where I stand ie Wikidata, the license we use is CC-0. When a GLAM
> wants to share data it has to be CC-0. When it is CC-by or CC-by-sa, we
> cannot use it. We do not retrieve it from their database we will find the
> same data from elsewhere where there is no such burden.
>
> When people use CC-by-sa data in for instance Wikipedia, we do harvest that
> information because once it is embedded in Wikipedia, it is no longer part
> of the original database that prohibits us from using it based on the
> database rights. At that point it is part of a completely different set of
> information. It is retrieved one factoid at a time and the origin of the
> data is no longer an issue.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>

Why are we talking about the license of Wikidata in this thread?

Come to think of it, why are we still talking at all in this thread?



>
>
> On 8 April 2014 10:40, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Gerard,
> > I think you mean "There are organisations that want to share CC-0
> > information with us under a CC-0 license and there are those who want
> > to share CC-0 information under a CC-by
> > license." We are fine with organizations sharing CC-by information
> > under a CC-by license, no?
> >
> > O and I agree completely on the Wikidata thing.
> >
> > Jane
> > PS: I also agree that the person who said these words is, in fact a
> > member of the community like the rest of us and therefore has every
> > right to use those words in a meeting during which community issues
> > are being discussed. I have heard worse in discussions by members of
> > one part of the community (Commons people) talking about other members
> > of the community (Dutch Wikipedians) and the other way around. Maybe
> > it's a cultural thing and we swear a lot in our internal meetups in
> > the Netherlands, dunno about that, but I never felt offended when I
> > heard these statements and in context have agreed with both parties.
> >
> > 2014-04-08 8:22 GMT+02:00, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
> > > Hoi,
> > > Take one step back. What our aim is, is to share in the sum of all
> > > knowledge. Arguably, this is the main and overriding objective of what
> we
> > > do. There are many strategies to get to the point where we share
> > > information. From where I stand, with Wikidata we have the opportunity
> to
> > > do better than with an only Wikipedia strategy: with Wikipedia we share
> > the
> > > sum of knowledge that is available in one Wikipedia and with Wikidata
> we
> > > share in the sum of all the knowledge that is available to us.
> > >
> > > Wikidata provides access to more information than any Wikipedia by a
> > large
> > > margin.
> > >
> > > There are those in our communities who aim to restrict the practices
> that
> > > realise Wikidata as the resource of information that is available to
> us.
> > To
> > > say it in a political correct way, they can be and should be ignored.
> > There
> > > are organisations that want to share information with us under a CC-0
> > > license and there are those who want to share information under a CC-by
> > > license. The later can and should be ignored as well.
> > >
> > > However, when I am to argue these points in a private setting, I will
> say
> > > that they can screw themselves. It is to make the point forcefully, it
> is
> > > to hammer on the fact that our objective is not the community but the
> > > sharing of knowledge. Yes, the community is important but that is the
> > > extend of it. When we can gain authoritative information provided by a
> > > GLAM, we should not consider the fact that we can enter all that
> > > information by hand. Those who want to add statements by hand can do so
> > but
> > > they should not force their behaviour and attitudes on others.
> > > Thanks,
> > >       GerardM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8 April 2014 00:45, Hubert Laska <hubert.la...@gmx.at> wrote:
> > >
> > >> With all due respect, Gerard, not the bearer ofthe message, Tomas, is
> > the
> > >> problem, the problem arises where there are people who can make
> > decisions
> > >> with far-reaching consequences - and be selected for it - but then
> > assume
> > >> one for me unacceptable position against that group whose services are
> > the
> > >> basis for their own position.
> > >>
> > >> Fuck the Community, who cares, was not the only thing, much worse for
> me
> > >> is the meaning, that free knowledge is easier to buy than to get by
> > edits
> > >> and edits.
> > >>
> > >> Of whose money? By those who make one edit after the other? Taking
> > photos,
> > >> one after another and upload them?
> > >>
> > >> I know Steffen good enough and I know, that he is able to tell apart
> > >> explanations which happens within an special group dynamic process. If
> > >> this
> > >> has occured, he would not have written this in his blog.
> > >>
> > >> h
> > >> Am 07.04.2014 12:52, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
> > >>
> > >>  Hoi,
> > >>> What is it that you intend to do. Hang them and, hang them high??
> > >>>
> > >>> You already know that it was in a very emotional moment ...
> > >>>
> > >>> What is your objective? What do you expect as a result and how will
> > that
> > >>> be
> > >>> in everyone's benefit??
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>       Gerard
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 7 April 2014 12:16, Tomasz W. Kozlowski <tom...@twkozlowski.net>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  Ziko van Dijk wrote
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   I think that a single quote by a unnamed "female Wikimedian", said
> > in
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> public or in private, is a very small basis for any substantiate
> > >>>>> criticism...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  Thanks to Chris e-mail's, we now know that the comment was made
> > during
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> public session (though I can't find the relevant section in the
> > minutes
> > >>>> on
> > >>>> Meta).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That the identity of the person is currently unknown is due to the
> > fact
> > >>>> that it has not been revealed by other participants in that
> workshop;
> > >>>> I'm
> > >>>> sure Chris, and Steffen, and other people know very well who that
> > person
> > >>>> is.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm used to the secrecy, but I find it deeply disturbing that such a
> > >>>> comment could have been made during a public workshop "in passing";
> > >>>> however, it would fit perfectly in the alleged divisions between
> some
> > >>>> chapters and their respective communities.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Where the idea that a single entity (here: a chapter) knows better
> > >>>> what's
> > >>>> best for a community than the community does itself come from, I'm
> not
> > >>>> sure.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>                  Tomasz
> > >>>>
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