What??? What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an unsafe environment?
Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned. *No wonder people are afraid to post here!* ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28 May 2014 21:37, Molly White <gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > Harassment: Has harassment been addressed in a comprehensive way on >> > all sites, including all of the WP site? As an example, Wikipedia has >> > had a problem with low and declining female participation for years, >> > and the WMF has often stated that it would like to address it. Are >> > women actively encouraged to participate on Wikipedia by the WMF or >> > other organizations? If we're not doing everything to protect women >> > and all other Wikipedians, is it morally or ethically correct to >> > perform outreach to potentially vulnerable groups? I'd especially like >> > to hear about this from a female perspective. >> >> A great start would be to hold this conversation in a safe space where >> people can discuss without fear of reprisal. I do not mean to say that >> wikimedia-l, nor any other public Wikimedia mailing list or page, is an >> inherently unsafe place to hold this discussion—that's not the case at all. >> But trying to hold this discussion after all the drama that you have been >> passing through this list in the past few days makes this a scary place for >> myself and others to post. >> >> You have ensured that this list has Wikipediocracy's rapt attention. >> Although I don't doubt the folks over there pay some attention to the >> regular goings-on of this list, the threads that you have been motivating >> and interacting with mean that every comment to this list is being >> scrutinized, and anyone they dislike is being torn apart. You have also >> shown that you have been interacting with and, at least to some degree, >> sympathizing with at least one person who, I feel, is dangerous. >> >> You have created a space where comments are being picked apart by a group >> of >> people eager to find or fabricate any flaw. My revision-deletion of an >> extremely violent and threatening edit was construed not as a standard >> admin >> action but as some sort of "clean-up" after someone whom they feel I am >> desperate to protect or cover up. You have drawn the attention of a >> dangerous user, who had not had contact with me for quite some time until >> now. You have the attention of at least one, likely more, of the people who >> created the racist, sexist, and threatening attack/doxxing pages mentioning >> me at EncyclopediaDramatica. >> >> So you'll have to excuse me when I'm somewhat unwilling to give my more >> in-depth "female perspective" here and now. >> >> Yours, >> Molly (GorillaWarfare) >> >> > > I'm going to second what Molly says here, Wil. I'm a woman who has held > positions that have attracted abuse and harassment (directed both at me > and my family) throughout the movement for years, and the first time I have > ever felt unsafe on this mailing list was today. > > You knew that the subject you were raising here had already caused a > Wikimedia staffer to take the (very unusual) step of advising his ED that > s/he felt unsafe because of your actions, not to mention the post that was > left on a talk page. Let me tell you, Wil, 85-90% of women would never > edit Wikipedia again if that post had been left on their talk page. And > yet, you could not leave it alone. It was all about you, and how you were > done wrong by, and how you didn't like how someone who has a long history > of making violently and sexually graphic abusive posts on English Wikipedia > (and other places) was treated. (I'm pretty sure he didn't get around to > telling you why he was banned, but you knew by the time you were drawn away > from IRC.) > > So..you perpetuated the feeling of unsafeness for your own purposes rather > than respect that your actions (whether intentionally or not) had created > that unsafe setting. Several community members tried to draw you away from > continuing in this vein, myself included, but you were not to be deterred. > Your determination to continue to perpetuate this unsafeness, by actively > participating in the ridiculing of Wikimedians, is precisely the kind of > behaviour that makes Wikimedia projects so unpleasant for women. > > I've been trying very hard to keep an open mind about you, despite your > unwillingness to modify your behaviour or even try to work with the > Wikimedia community. But today, you went too far. > > Risker > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>