What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an
unsafe environment?

Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned.

*No wonder people are afraid to post here!*


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28 May 2014 21:37, Molly White <gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Harassment: Has harassment been addressed in a comprehensive way on
>> > all sites, including all of the WP site? As an example, Wikipedia has
>> > had a problem with low and declining female participation for years,
>> > and the WMF has often stated that it would like to address it. Are
>> > women actively encouraged to participate on Wikipedia by the WMF or
>> > other organizations? If we're not doing everything to protect women
>> > and all other Wikipedians, is it morally or ethically correct to
>> > perform outreach to potentially vulnerable groups? I'd especially like
>> > to hear about this from a female perspective.
>> A great start would be to hold this conversation in a safe space where
>> people can discuss without fear of reprisal. I do not mean to say that
>> wikimedia-l, nor any other public Wikimedia mailing list or page, is an
>> inherently unsafe place to hold this discussion—that's not the case at all.
>> But trying to hold this discussion after all the drama that you have been
>> passing through this list in the past few days makes this a scary place for
>> myself and others to post.
>> You have ensured that this list has Wikipediocracy's rapt attention.
>> Although I don't doubt the folks over there pay some attention to the
>> regular goings-on of this list, the threads that you have been motivating
>> and interacting with mean that every comment to this list is being
>> scrutinized, and anyone they dislike is being torn apart. You have also
>> shown that you have been interacting with and, at least to some degree,
>> sympathizing with at least one person who, I feel, is dangerous.
>> You have created a space where comments are being picked apart by a group
>> of
>> people eager to find or fabricate any flaw. My revision-deletion of an
>> extremely violent and threatening edit was construed not as a standard
>> admin
>> action but as some sort of "clean-up" after someone whom they feel I am
>> desperate to protect or cover up. You have drawn the attention of a
>> dangerous user, who had not had contact with me for quite some time until
>> now. You have the attention of at least one, likely more, of the people who
>> created the racist, sexist, and threatening attack/doxxing pages mentioning
>> me at EncyclopediaDramatica.
>> So you'll have to excuse me when I'm somewhat unwilling to give my more
>> in-depth "female perspective" here and now.
>> Yours,
>> Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> I'm going to second what Molly says here, Wil.  I'm a woman who has held
> positions that have attracted abuse and harassment  (directed both at me
> and my family) throughout the movement for years, and the first time I have
> ever felt unsafe on this mailing list was today.
> You knew that the subject you were raising here had already caused a
> Wikimedia staffer to take the (very unusual) step of advising his ED that
> s/he felt unsafe because of your actions, not to mention the post that was
> left on a talk page.  Let me tell you, Wil, 85-90% of women would never
> edit Wikipedia again if that post had been left on their talk page. And
> yet, you could not leave it alone.  It was all about you, and how you were
> done wrong by, and how you didn't like how someone who has a long history
> of making violently and sexually graphic abusive posts on English Wikipedia
> (and other places) was treated.  (I'm pretty sure he didn't get around to
> telling you why he was banned, but you knew by the time you were drawn away
> from IRC.)
> So..you perpetuated the feeling of unsafeness for your own purposes rather
> than respect that your actions (whether intentionally or not) had created
> that unsafe setting.  Several community members tried to draw you away from
> continuing in this vein, myself included, but you were not to be deterred.
> Your determination to continue to perpetuate this unsafeness, by actively
> participating in the ridiculing of Wikimedians, is precisely the kind of
> behaviour that makes Wikimedia projects so unpleasant for women.
> I've been trying very hard to keep an open mind about you, despite your
> unwillingness to modify your behaviour or even try to work with the
> Wikimedia community.  But today, you went too far.
> Risker
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 

Reply via email to