Why did you mail this to the public mailing list? It seems to be a
private communication.

,Wil

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Newyorkbrad <newyorkb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wil:
>
> Please take this particular aspect of the discussion offline without
> further postings about it.
>
> There are entirely legitimate reasons for my request and for the
> expressions of concern from others that have come through in the past
> couple of hours.  This request is not an attempt to stifle any form of
> Wikipedia/Wikimedia criticism nor your becoming more familiar with the
> projects and their communities.
>
> Newyorkbrad/IBM
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote:
>
>> What???
>>
>> What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an
>> unsafe environment?
>>
>> Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned.
>>
>> *No wonder people are afraid to post here!*
>>
>> ,Wil
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 28 May 2014 21:37, Molly White <gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Harassment: Has harassment been addressed in a comprehensive way on
>> >> > all sites, including all of the WP site? As an example, Wikipedia has
>> >> > had a problem with low and declining female participation for years,
>> >> > and the WMF has often stated that it would like to address it. Are
>> >> > women actively encouraged to participate on Wikipedia by the WMF or
>> >> > other organizations? If we're not doing everything to protect women
>> >> > and all other Wikipedians, is it morally or ethically correct to
>> >> > perform outreach to potentially vulnerable groups? I'd especially like
>> >> > to hear about this from a female perspective.
>> >>
>> >> A great start would be to hold this conversation in a safe space where
>> >> people can discuss without fear of reprisal. I do not mean to say that
>> >> wikimedia-l, nor any other public Wikimedia mailing list or page, is an
>> >> inherently unsafe place to hold this discussion—that's not the case at
>> all.
>> >> But trying to hold this discussion after all the drama that you have
>> been
>> >> passing through this list in the past few days makes this a scary place
>> for
>> >> myself and others to post.
>> >>
>> >> You have ensured that this list has Wikipediocracy's rapt attention.
>> >> Although I don't doubt the folks over there pay some attention to the
>> >> regular goings-on of this list, the threads that you have been
>> motivating
>> >> and interacting with mean that every comment to this list is being
>> >> scrutinized, and anyone they dislike is being torn apart. You have also
>> >> shown that you have been interacting with and, at least to some degree,
>> >> sympathizing with at least one person who, I feel, is dangerous.
>> >>
>> >> You have created a space where comments are being picked apart by a
>> group
>> >> of
>> >> people eager to find or fabricate any flaw. My revision-deletion of an
>> >> extremely violent and threatening edit was construed not as a standard
>> >> admin
>> >> action but as some sort of "clean-up" after someone whom they feel I am
>> >> desperate to protect or cover up. You have drawn the attention of a
>> >> dangerous user, who had not had contact with me for quite some time
>> until
>> >> now. You have the attention of at least one, likely more, of the people
>> who
>> >> created the racist, sexist, and threatening attack/doxxing pages
>> mentioning
>> >> me at EncyclopediaDramatica.
>> >>
>> >> So you'll have to excuse me when I'm somewhat unwilling to give my more
>> >> in-depth "female perspective" here and now.
>> >>
>> >> Yours,
>> >> Molly (GorillaWarfare)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'm going to second what Molly says here, Wil.  I'm a woman who has held
>> > positions that have attracted abuse and harassment  (directed both at me
>> > and my family) throughout the movement for years, and the first time I
>> have
>> > ever felt unsafe on this mailing list was today.
>> >
>> > You knew that the subject you were raising here had already caused a
>> > Wikimedia staffer to take the (very unusual) step of advising his ED that
>> > s/he felt unsafe because of your actions, not to mention the post that
>> was
>> > left on a talk page.  Let me tell you, Wil, 85-90% of women would never
>> > edit Wikipedia again if that post had been left on their talk page. And
>> > yet, you could not leave it alone.  It was all about you, and how you
>> were
>> > done wrong by, and how you didn't like how someone who has a long history
>> > of making violently and sexually graphic abusive posts on English
>> Wikipedia
>> > (and other places) was treated.  (I'm pretty sure he didn't get around to
>> > telling you why he was banned, but you knew by the time you were drawn
>> away
>> > from IRC.)
>> >
>> > So..you perpetuated the feeling of unsafeness for your own purposes
>> rather
>> > than respect that your actions (whether intentionally or not) had created
>> > that unsafe setting.  Several community members tried to draw you away
>> from
>> > continuing in this vein, myself included, but you were not to be
>> deterred.
>> > Your determination to continue to perpetuate this unsafeness, by actively
>> > participating in the ridiculing of Wikimedians, is precisely the kind of
>> > behaviour that makes Wikimedia projects so unpleasant for women.
>> >
>> > I've been trying very hard to keep an open mind about you, despite your
>> > unwillingness to modify your behaviour or even try to work with the
>> > Wikimedia community.  But today, you went too far.
>> >
>> > Risker
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