Wil, the links? They're harassment. If you don't understand that, you're in no position to initiate a discussion about the subject.
Risker On 29 May 2014 01:46, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote: > Thanks, Risker. I think there are a few inaccuracies in there. > > * I link to threads on Wikipediocracy to demonstrate what I've > actually said. In some cases, it has been characterized here without > context. I'd prefer everyone just look at the original so that there > are no misconceptions. What other people post there is their own > business. I don't read the personal stuff, in any case, and I very > actively discourage it there. > > * I believe I only talked about that one experience on the > #wikipedia-en IRC channel and haven't said anything about any other > channels. > > * I have told the people on Wikipediocracy countless times that I have > no influence on Lila's profession decisions and that I refuse to get > involved with the WMF at all for the time being. I've told everyone > here, too, for that matter. I specifically said that I don't read the > personal stuff on Wikipediocracy, and that I don't discuss WMF > matters- staff or otherwise- with Lila. > > * Every experience that I've discussed here has been my own. > > * I don't know what security concerns you are talking about. Could you > elaborate with links? > > * It's true. I value my self-respect far more than anyone else's, and > I maintain it by being true to myself and to everyone I deal with. But > I do value the respect of Wikimedians. In the end, I will either earn > it or not by continuing to be true to myself and acting in good faith > in all my dealings. > > * Again, Lila's career is her own. If others choose to bring my > actions to her doorstep, it is their call. I've been very clear about > my role with respect to the WMF; basically, there isn't one. And I > would greatly appreciate it if everyone would stop bringing our > private relationship in to this discussion. I've decided that I won't > have anything to do with the WMF in any way. So our private lives are > no longer the community's business. > > * I'm quite capable of thinking for myself. I am truly interested in > protecting children and preventing harassment. And I'm particularly > interested in the current state of the policies around these issues as > the leadership of the WMF changes. Old discussions might contain > outdated information. I could go on-wiki to see the current policies, > but I keep having to reply to mails like these that somehow attribute > a bunch of opinions to me that I've never expressed. > > I'm still trying to understand what I've done wrong here. I've > basically asked some questions and replied to posts that either were > directly addressed to me (as yours is here), or made extensive > reference to me (as some of the mails calling for my blocking). Let me > ask you a simple question that may help me understand where you are > coming from: do you find the questions themselves personally > upsetting? > > Thanks again! > ,Wil > > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > No, Wil. I mean the repeated linking to a Wikipediocracy thread that > > actively denigrates many of the other correspondents on this list; that > > advocates that you use your personal influence to persuade the new ED to > > fire WMF staff; that implies that every WMF-related IRC channel (there > are > > dozens, several of which are logged all the time) is littered with > > gratuitous insults and poor behaviour. Your own comments tar every > > Wikimedian and WMF staff member with the same brush. You appear to have > > accepted wholesale the information provided by people who have had a > > negative experience while discounting the comments of anyone who > encourages > > you to try things out for yourself, no pressure. And you've worked very > > hard to try to force this community to discuss issues that are amongst > the > > most highly contentious on any internet community at your convenience and > > with you framing the discussion, discounting any discussions that were > had > > before, many of which you could have found for yourself with a rather > basic > > google search. > > > > You knew all along that there was a security concern about the events > > relating to that IRC discussion, and yet you persisted. You would have > > earned some respect if you had walked away from that, but you chose not > to. > > Now, I realise that you don't value the respect of Wikimedians very much. > > But on a day when Lila should be celebrating, she is instead trying to > deal > > with the fallout of her life partner creating havoc amongst her staff and > > the volunteers who contribute to the projects for which she will be > > imminently responsible for. That's sad beyond words. > > > > Risker > > > > > > On 28 May 2014 23:54, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote: > > > >> Ah. You mean the edit that I didn't write, I didn't post to IRC, and > >> I've never actually seen. > >> > >> Got it. > >> > >> ,Wil > >> > >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Molly White > >> <gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > Wil Sinclair <wllm@...> writes: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> What??? > >> >> > >> >> What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an > >> >> unsafe environment? > >> > > >> > I believe Risker is referring to the post I revision-deleted. > >> > > >> >> Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned. > >> >> > >> >> *No wonder people are afraid to post here!* > >> > > >> > I've made my point, and I'm more or less done talking about this > on-list, > >> > probably for similar reasons as NYB. Feel free to contact me off-list > if > >> you > >> > wish. > >> > > >> > Yours, > >> > Molly (GorillaWarfare) > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
