Wil, the links?  They're harassment. If you don't understand that, you're
in no position to initiate a discussion about the subject.

Risker


On 29 May 2014 01:46, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Risker. I think there are a few inaccuracies in there.
>
> * I link to threads on Wikipediocracy to demonstrate what I've
> actually said. In some cases, it has been characterized here without
> context. I'd prefer everyone just look at the original so that there
> are no misconceptions. What other people post there is their own
> business. I don't read the personal stuff, in any case, and I very
> actively discourage it there.
>
> * I believe I only talked about that one experience on the
> #wikipedia-en IRC channel and haven't said anything about any other
> channels.
>
> * I have told the people on Wikipediocracy countless times that I have
> no influence on Lila's profession decisions and that I refuse to get
> involved with the WMF at all for the time being. I've told everyone
> here, too, for that matter. I specifically said that I don't read the
> personal stuff on Wikipediocracy, and that I don't discuss WMF
> matters- staff or otherwise- with Lila.
>
> * Every experience that I've discussed here has been my own.
>
> * I don't know what security concerns you are talking about. Could you
> elaborate with links?
>
> * It's true. I value my self-respect far more than anyone else's, and
> I maintain it by being true to myself and to everyone I deal with. But
> I do value the respect of Wikimedians. In the end, I will either earn
> it or not by continuing to be true to myself and acting in good faith
> in all my dealings.
>
> * Again, Lila's career is her own. If others choose to bring my
> actions to her doorstep, it is their call. I've been very clear about
> my role with respect to the WMF; basically, there isn't one. And I
> would greatly appreciate it if everyone would stop bringing our
> private relationship in to this discussion. I've decided that I won't
> have anything to do with the WMF in any way. So our private lives are
> no longer the community's business.
>
> * I'm quite capable of thinking for myself. I am truly interested in
> protecting children and preventing harassment. And I'm particularly
> interested in the current state of the policies around these issues as
> the leadership of the WMF changes. Old discussions might contain
> outdated information. I could go on-wiki to see the current policies,
> but I keep having to reply to mails like these that somehow attribute
> a bunch of opinions to me that I've never expressed.
>
> I'm still trying to understand what I've done wrong here. I've
> basically asked some questions and replied to posts that either were
> directly addressed to me (as yours is here), or made extensive
> reference to me (as some of the mails calling for my blocking). Let me
> ask you a simple question that may help me understand where you are
> coming from: do you find the questions themselves personally
> upsetting?
>
> Thanks again!
> ,Wil
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No, Wil. I mean the repeated linking to a Wikipediocracy thread that
> > actively denigrates many of the other correspondents on this list; that
> > advocates that you use your personal influence to persuade the new ED to
> > fire WMF staff; that implies that every WMF-related IRC channel (there
> are
> > dozens, several of which are logged all the time) is littered with
> > gratuitous insults and poor behaviour. Your own comments tar every
> > Wikimedian and WMF staff member with the same brush.  You appear to have
> > accepted wholesale the information provided by people who have had a
> > negative experience while discounting the comments of anyone who
> encourages
> > you to try things out for yourself, no pressure.  And you've worked very
> > hard to try to force this community to discuss issues that are amongst
> the
> > most highly contentious on any internet community at your convenience and
> > with you framing the discussion, discounting any discussions that were
> had
> > before, many of which you could have found for yourself with a rather
> basic
> > google search.
> >
> > You knew all along that there was a security concern about the events
> > relating to that IRC discussion, and yet you persisted.  You would have
> > earned some respect if you had walked away from that, but you chose not
> to.
> > Now, I realise that you don't value the respect of Wikimedians very much.
> > But on a day when Lila should be celebrating, she is instead trying to
> deal
> > with the fallout of her life partner creating havoc amongst her staff and
> > the volunteers who contribute to the projects for which she will be
> > imminently responsible for.  That's sad beyond words.
> >
> > Risker
> >
> >
> > On 28 May 2014 23:54, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ah. You mean the edit that I didn't write, I didn't post to IRC, and
> >> I've never actually seen.
> >>
> >> Got it.
> >>
> >> ,Wil
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Molly White
> >> <gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Wil Sinclair <wllm@...> writes:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> What???
> >> >>
> >> >> What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an
> >> >> unsafe environment?
> >> >
> >> > I believe Risker is referring to the post I revision-deleted.
> >> >
> >> >> Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned.
> >> >>
> >> >> *No wonder people are afraid to post here!*
> >> >
> >> > I've made my point, and I'm more or less done talking about this
> on-list,
> >> > probably for similar reasons as NYB. Feel free to contact me off-list
> if
> >> you
> >> > wish.
> >> >
> >> > Yours,
> >> > Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> >> >
> >> >
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