Well Lodewijk, they announce the values during the WLE, not before to
discuss (I wrote that in Meta), and more, they are trying to do a event
after the WLE that will cost ~9000 USD.
And they promised to do a WLM too, how much money they will spend on that
too. Furthermore, I tried to do in the soft way, asking they in the page of
the event, they blocked my for no reason, the reason given was "you are not
welcome"...

Remember, this is not a Wikimedia Chapter, this is the Brazil Program (WMF
project) the are doing this event, without accountability, discussion with
any community, transparency...

We could not do that before because they did had not opened how much they
would spend, and we can't wait moths to do, because we are not that far
from WLM, and always have some guys saying "this already go, doesn't
matter"...

If we do not care, who will care?


On 31 May 2014 06:37, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote:

> Dear Rodrigo,
>
> As you probably realize, the Wiki Loves Earth competition is ongoing
> already - and it is highly unlikely that things will change /during/ the
> competition. Raising this right now, in this aggressive way (not going
> towards a solution) is primarily obstructive.
>
> What would be much more constructive is if you either decide to invest your
> effort in making this investment worth while (increase the impact), or to
> help during the evaluation/next time's organization. That way you can
> actually impact the way money is being spent, and volunteers are being
> empowered effectively.
>
> Unless I'm missing something (what you're actually trying to accomplish)
> this is probably the least impactful moment to have this discussion - a few
> months earlier or later would have been.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
>
> 2014-05-31 3:50 GMT+02:00 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com>:
>
> > "way the topic was raised." funny
> >
> > Thank you Jaime Anstee, Lodewijk for the explanation and context.
> >
> > I don't if Mr. Alvarenga can see, but "I don't criticize the organizers,
> > they are newbies in the Wikimedia movement", is one of the main problems
> > here, why they can have the power spend this money without consulting,
> your
> > point increase the size of this issue, if they don't know what they are
> > doing, why they can manage/access this quantity of money?
> > And find for me photo contest in Brazil manage by NGOs without partners
> > that hits this quantity of money, and this is just the prize, the whole
> > contest was evaluated in 30'850,00 reais ~14'000.00 dollars...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 30 May 2014 15:18, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <
> > everton.alvare...@okfn.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have no idea about the prizes for other places to compare, but I
> > > must say 10k reais (~5k USD) is a small amount of money for the value
> > > generate by this type of competition, in my opinion.
> > >
> > > At the moment I am running through the organization I coordinate a
> > > challenge which will give prizes of this order, although we won't give
> > > it in cash, but a trip to Open Knowledge Festival
> > > <http://2014.okfestival.org/> next July, books and games, all
> > > catalysing the creative use of technology and free software. And this
> > > is from a very tiny organization 6 month old.
> > >
> > > The results from this competition led by the education program
> > > coordinator in Brazil seems good so far. I think one thing that could
> > > be improved was to consult the community in a more open way to avoid
> > > the actual wikidramas and I tend not to like prizes in cash, but
> > > simbolic one, like a trip to Wikimania would make much more sense for
> > > me or some prize related to photograph.
> > >
> > > I don't criticize the organizers, they are newbies in the Wikimedia
> > > movement and let's assume good faith, but I think it's a good
> > > opportunity to discuss the issue globally, although the way the topic
> > > was raised.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
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