I must agree with the frustration over the quality of discussion on this mailing list lately, but I did want to make clear my appreciation to the list admins, who have decided to avoid playing semantic word games over what is and is not appropriate, and started moderating people who want to use this list for personal abuse, trolling, and other inappropriate discussions. This list has an unfortunate but not undeserved reputation as a bit of a sewer, but that doesn't mean we should lower our expectations on user conduct. From this subscriber at least, your attempts to clean up this place are very much appreciated, and I hope they continue.
Cheers, Craig On 16 June 2014 15:43, Dennis Pierri <[email protected]> wrote: > Buddy I would support more common sense, some people on the list just > don't think twice before hitting send, that's the way you start a wildfire. > This has become an unmoderated forum full of people who seemingly doesn't > remember that there are better ways or places to say to another "I hate > you". > Really everyone should ask themselves before hitting send some of this > questions: > "Does this serves a good purpose?" > "Is it going to do any good?" > "Will it cause unnecessary conflict?" > "It is written in a proper and polite way?" > Being emotional and eager to say something is not so good here, it's a > mail list, you can take your time, be as polite as possible, and use your > common sense, or else this will get worse. > > Dennis Pierri > > On 16/06/2014, at 00:01, Jasper Deng <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I would support increased moderation too, except that sockpuppetry on > email > > lists is trivial (do we really want to go into the mess of implementing > > CheckUser for email headers?). > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> But this behaviour that you are saying is so Wikimedia Movement, the > name > >> is totally correct. And expect a block, because they are free, but they > >> "need to act in the name of the community, to stop 'trolls'". ;) > >> > >> > >> On 16 June 2014 00:51, Dennis Pierri <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Agreed, this list has seen too much personal confrontation, fights and > >>> general shit and nothing really productive lately, by the way, be > >>> ready for the shit storm from those who feel alluded. > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM, billinghurst <[email protected] > > > >>> wrote: > >>>> I am looking for a productive mailing list that discusses matters of > >>>> importance to the Wikimedia community. That the people on such a list > >> can > >>>> have these discussions politely, respectfully, and with concern for > >>> others > >>>> in that the words that say, and attitudes taken. I want to see > >>>> announcements, I want to see a higher quality of conversation on what > >>>> should be a flaglist in the mailing list space of Wikimedia. > >>>> > >>>> We don't have it. One gets to the point of utter frustration with this > >>>> list, and it is time that the backstabbers, frontstabbers, > >> bitchfighters, > >>>> venal, conceited, etc. need a place to kill each other with as much > >> venom > >>>> as possible, but not under the more impressive and specific name of > >>>> wikimedia-l. So please rename this list, and take all its people to > >>>> something befitting the behaviour seen. Then please produce a clean > >> list > >>>> for those who don't have to have the antics of these unbearable, > >>>> egotistical, and apparently intolerant and chauvinistic people, and > >>> please > >>>> don't let them join that list. They can have their shithole and revel > >> in > >>>> it. They know who they are and they would feel ashamed if they had a > >>>> modicum of interest outside of themselves. > >>>> > >>>> If that is not possible, then those of who us who want a higher > quality > >>>> discussion will unsubscribe, and be unrepresented and unheard. Another > >>> win > >>>> for the trolls, and a sad reflection on the direction. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, Billinghurst > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Dennis Pierri > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >>> [email protected] > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > >> [email protected] > >> +55 11 979 718 884 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
