On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote:
> Though I like the IMSLP approach, I still like the totally free format of > Commons galleries, and many categories have more than one gallery, so a > standard approach may not work well. I do think WikiData can help with > image navigation somehow, but I am just not sure how. As I understood Lua, > this won't help. > It doesn't need to be a fixed structure, it can be a mix with some static media galleries, and some dynamic galleries defined with Ask: https://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries > Ahh - the dream of every Wiki(p/m)edian who has hit the wall on category > limitations! I don't believe they will ever become superfluous. Rather, I > think we should be increasing the use of categories (using them almost like > tags) and even allowing empty categories using placeholders taken from > existing Wikipedia articles that are missing pictures. They could be complementary. For instance, there could be bots that would tag images in the category "sagrada familia" as "depicts:sagrada familia". And the other way round too. > Also, I don't think > many of our Sagrada familia photo contributors have an idea what a query > is, nor do they care about structured data. > And neither they should! Better to ask: "what is in the picture?" and let them pick any item from wikidata to tag it with. > > Using your example, We could split the "Towers of Sagrada familia" into > each tower, then into each sculpture on each tower, etc. Volunteers decide > the structure of the categories that may or may not match up with WikiData > items, but only filled categories are visible to the casual browser. The > next time someone uploads something into the default Sagrada Familia > category, there could be push messages to the uploader displaying something > from the empty category placeholders, along the lines of "Z-language > Wikipedia is missing a picture of X tower - does this file show that?" > Excellent idea! Actually any part of Sagrada Familia that can have a gallery page, could fulfill the criteria for having a Wikidata item. There we can store data about the item and its relation with the whole ("sagrada familia right tower"<part of>"Sagrada Familia") or about the height, builders, status, etc. Then it becomes trivial to display the whole tree and signal which parts are missing. As an example of tree check: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html?q=Q1785783&rp=361&lang=en&method=list&depth=4 If this tree was connected with Commons, then I could know which compositions miss audio and try to find a recording. Same for any building that can be partitioned. Just build the concept tree in Wikidata, tag the images appropriately and then you have a very nice overview about which parts miss pictures. > The WLM project has a rough version of this with the "easy upload link" for > the unique identifiers: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments#Unique_identifiers > > This puts the infrastructure on Wikipedia along with the prompt to upload. > It would be nice if the prompt to upload could be on Commons directly. > > Perfect, later on it could be used a standard wikidata identifier to tag images with the same result. Micru _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
