On Sep 10, 2014 9:35 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hoi. > When you look at talk pages in isolation, you look at them on a computer > screen. A mobile or tablet screen is increasingly not used in isolation.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. It > is where we find our new users and editors. We cannot afford to ignore > them; they are our future. This is why tinkering with talk pages is not an > option. Moving away from talk pages because of mobiles and tablets is the > killer reason why we need to move away from talk pages. > > It is a killer reason because it makes all arguments to the contrary pale > away. > Thanks, > GerardM What I find most painful about talk pages on mobile (on the desktop skin, because so far I've been too impatient to find talk pages and edit functionality on mobile) have been that editing huge text areas really sucks (the scrolling and positioning the cursor is a huge pain). This is not limited to talk pages by the way, but is identical for mainspace pages. A reply button that inserts an isolated comment at the correct indentation level would fix that. Am I overlooking stuff? > > On 10 September 2014 09:20, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Sep 10, 2014 5:11 AM, "Keegan Peterzell" <keegan.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, I signed my first comment by hand. I missed the comments about > > > > sigs in the wikitext editor interface. If it weren't for my family > > > > situation, I'm pretty sure I would have bailed. In any case, it was > > > > much easier to engage at WO, and that was partly- but not mostly- due > > > > to the fact that they run discussion software over there. > > > > > > > > ,Wil > > > > > > > > > > > This - signing by hand - is pretty much a universal experience for new > > > users, myself included. > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Alaska&diff=prev&oldid=26555079 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~Keegan > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan > > > > I'm not saying that isn't crap and unwelcoming: it is, and it deters new > > users. But it's hardly the end of the world either. By signing the wrong > > way no real harm is done, if someone just tells you about the option to use > > ~~~~ > > > > It's crap and archaic and should be fixed, but it's also an example of the > > idea that there are no mistakes on a wiki. So you did something not right? > > Great, that means you contributed. So we fix it (collaboratively) and > > improve your contribution, no harm done. > > > > That said, auto sign and a reply button would be a *whole* lot friendlier > > than what we have now, and would be great improvements over the current > > situation. > > > > Flow definitely has a reply button, and automatic signing as well, but I > > can't help but think that just those features in isolation would be better > > then completely overhauling talk pages. > > > > --Martijn > > > > > > > > This is my personal email address. Everything sent from this email > > address > > > is in a personal capacity. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
