On Oct 25, 2014 8:03 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > Perpetuating it with a dedicated IDE wouldn't help it go away.
I doubt that. Side by side wikitext and result, making you see the result of either in the other in real time could help adoption of wysiwyg techniques, help improve them, and help people ease in to using them. Your wonton dismissiveness is worrysome to me. > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 20:51, "Martijn Hoekstra" <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> > כתב: > > > On Oct 25, 2014 7:20 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il > > > wrote: > > > > > > Because, even though I'm well aware of the fact that lots of experienced > > > wikipedians love wiki syntax, the wiki syntax must go away, and will go > > > away. Maybe in five years, maybe ten, maybe twenty. But it will go away. > > > Investing effort in an IDE for it is pointless. > > > > So fortunately we didn't invest in something five years ago with an > > expected lifespan of 10 to 25 years? > > > > > > > > Templates are, indeed, programs. Articles aren't. Wikidata and Winter (or > > > something like Winter) will remove the need to edit transclusions as part > > > of the articles' source code in maybe three years (maybe much less). > > > Development should focus on that, rather than on an IDE for a language > > that > > > should as soon as possible become transparent to all editors. > > > > > > (This is not an official representation of the Wikimedia Foundation's > > > opinion.) > > > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 19:40, "Martijn Hoekstra" < martijnhoeks...@gmail.com > > > > > > כתב: > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 2014 6:17 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" < > > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thank goodness this wasn't written five years ago, otherwise somebody > > > > could > > > > > get the awful idea to implement it. > > > > > > > > Having a side by side really time wikitext - display doesn't sound like > > an > > > > aweful idea at all to me. I'm quite surprised anyone would find that > > aweful > > > > actually. I don't understand why you're so dismissive of that idea. > > > > > > > > --Martijn > > > > > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 18:26, "Kim Bruning" <k...@bruning.xs4all.nl> > > כתב: > > > > > > > > > > > I spotted this article linked from news.ycombinator.com, > > > > > > arguing -well- what it says on the tin. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Apologies if someone else already posted a link. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://medium.com/@MrJamesFisher/wikipedia-needs-an-ide-not-a-wysiwyg-editor-7acd85b582c8 > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure <scratches head>. Well, if we allow lua in templates, > > > > > > I suppose things actually are already pretty Interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > Kim Bruning > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
