Hi Asaf!

I was reading the presentation on metrics and the point about Mexico's
decreasing of views on Wikipedia called my attention.

From your answer to Scott I read that those are only statistics from
enwiki, do you know if the same happened in eswiki or, conversely, eswiki
grow the number of views? In the last case I could assume that we are
"converting" English readers into Spanish readers and it might be taken as
a normal "migration". Although in the first case I would be worried because
we are loosing those readers definitely and it would be needed adjust some
strategies in our country.

Sorry if I'm doing a simplist reading of the metrics.

Regards!


El jueves, 4 de diciembre de 2014, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org>
escribió:

> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM, C. Scott Ananian <canan...@wikimedia.org
> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks everyone for a fantastic metrics meeting.
> >
> > I had two questions which I raised on IRC which didn't get a chance to
> > be addressed.  Briefly:
> >
> > 1) Is the rise in global south page views specifically to *enwiki*, or
> > is it to local wikis?
> >
>
> Not actually an either/or.  The answer seems to me to be "yes", i.e. all
> wikis -- that is, all projects, all languages.
>
>
> > It seems that our thinking about redirecting to localized content and
> > the rise of mobile in the global south should be informed by these
> > analytics.  Are folks coming to enwiki because that's where the
> > content and editors are?
>
>
> Some definitely do.  Another major factor, mentioned today, is that in some
> countries, mobile devices just don't come with good local languages
> support, and people are putting up with that and using what the device does
> give them, which are generally the major, colonial languages.
>
>
> > If so we might be doing readers a disservice
> > by redirecting them to a local wiki without the content they are
> > seeking.  (Perhaps the Content Translation tool can help.)  If our
> > userbase in the global south is coming from mobile, than it is
> > important to provide localized editing tools for mobile; less so if
> > they are primarily English-speaking and can take advantage of the
> > desktop editors of enwiki.
>
>
> Remember that while "global south" is a shorthand label we use for
> convenience to group together a large number of countries, it's often quite
> misleading to generalize about it, *particularly* around language
> questions.
>
> In Anglophone Africa, for example, most people are used to looking for
> information online in English and not in indigenous languages.  But in
> Brazil, people consume information in Portuguese, but many (16%) also refer
> to the English Wikipedia (and intriguingly, 1 in 3 *edits* from Brazil is
> to ENWP!), presumably for its broader coverage or higher average quality.
> In Ukraine, 70% read the Russian Wikipedia and only 17% read the Ukrainian
> Wikipedia; interviews tell me this is largely due to device defaults,
> beyond the obvious different in size and average quality.
>
> This page reveals some of those breakdowns:
>
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBreakdown.htm
>
>
> > Will investment in the Content Translation
> > tool affect the balance between enwiki and local wiki pageviews going
> > forward?
> >
>
> That would be one long-term effect to watch for, I think!
>
> Thanks for digging up further info!
>
>    A.
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