On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM, C. Scott Ananian <canan...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>> 1) Is the rise in global south page views specifically to *enwiki*, or
>> is it to local wikis?
> Not actually an either/or.  The answer seems to me to be "yes", i.e. all
> wikis -- that is, all projects, all languages.

It may *seem to you* to be "yes", but the data indicates that the
answer differs, depending where you look.  For example, the data
clearly indicates that the stunning rise in Iran is almost entirely
due to enwiki.  enwiki gains over 80 million page views, fawiki gains
only 10 million.  See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cscott/2014_December_metrics for a
convincing graph.

I think it's important that we determine the actual answers to these
questions, instead of trusting our instincts.

> Some definitely do.  Another major factor, mentioned today, is that in some
> countries, mobile devices just don't come with good local languages
> support, and people are putting up with that and using what the device does
> give them, which are generally the major, colonial languages.

Hm, the word "colonial" bothers me here.  I know you mean
"historically colonial", but in the modern world English is also a
trade language, not just a formerly-colonial language.  Much access to
enwiki is due to its trade-language status.

I feel strongly that we have a moral obligation to offer good local
language support, but I also feel that we shouldn't label and dismiss
readers who want to learn/practice/find information in a trade
language. (This is one of the reasons I'm a fan of simplewiki, but
that's a whole 'nuther discussion.)

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Salvador A <salvador1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was reading the presentation on metrics and the point about Mexico's
> decreasing of views on Wikipedia called my attention.

I dug into the numbers a little more; see the graphs at

It's a bit confusing.  At this moment I'm inclined to say that the
computation of "decliners" was in some way erroneous; neither the page
views for Mexico nor the overall pageviews for eswiki seem to support
the large annual declines reported.

On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cscott/2014_December_metrics I
compute an annual decline for Mexico of 12.4% (compared to 23.2%
reported at the metrics meeting), which compares to an eswiki annual
decline of 4.8% (excludings bots and spiders).

So Mexico is indeed concerning -- it's declining at three times the
eswiki rate.  But eswiki as a whole seems like it ought to also be a
concern.  And I'd like to understand why I can't reproduce the much
higher numbers shown in the Metrics meeting.


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