Sorry if this was already answered and I overlooked it, but will there be something like a special form of "advertising" this campaign in order to attract many requests that propose to do something about the Gender Gap?
2015-01-06 21:11 GMT+01:00 Siko Bouterse <sboute...@wikimedia.org>: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Anders Wennersten < > m...@anderswennersten.se> > wrote: > > > Thanks Siko, also from me. > > > > I do hope that you use this time to really learn of the dynamics of > > grants/impact, by following up of earlier experience and also in defining > > expectations targets etc in a specific area > > > > For me an eyeopener was a program run in Sweden by WMSE to get more > female > > contributors. It was funded from outside WMF and primary involved > > workshops for Wikipedia writing, in a form we are all familiar with. The > > workshops was run in different middlesized towns and got a very limited > > attendance, 3-15 persons, whereof only a tiny fraction stayed on as > > Wikipedians after the workshop. I got annoyed at first noticing it cost > > something like 100-200 dollar per participant, and 20 times as much to > get > > the one among them who stayed on but only making some 50-100 edits. I > saw > > it as a truly waste of money (not WMF though). > > > > But then I learned that those activities attracted more media attention > > than any other program having been run by WMSE, there must now be between > > 30-50 coverages in local and nationwide papers and radio stations. And > the > > funding body saw this as a thundering success, and has given even more > > funding for a second year. And then something happened as a result from > > this media coverage, more female editors has now a year later turned up! > > > > Anders > > > > > Thanks for sharing this example, Anders. We're definitely going to learn a > lot from this experiment, as I am from this discussion, and will be sharing > back findings too :) > > Your point about media interest as well as longer term impact is super > important. While we do need to be able to demonstrate some short-term > impact, I also think that for many of the grants we make the impact can > really only seen much more clearly in the longer term. So following up well > after the pilot is over will also be important. > > I don't usually think that media coverage alone = thundering success (like > you, I'd probably have been disappointed at first with the early outcomes > you mentioned). But I do see that one possible outcome for campaigns like > this is increased media coverage which in turn could result in longer term > impact by bringing in more people to the projects. Will be on the lookout > for this - glad you mentioned it! > > Siko > > > > > > > > Chris Keating skrev den 2015-01-06 10:53: > > > > Thanks for the details Siko! > >> > >> Going back to the original message in this thread - I would indeed be > >> concerned if the WMF was shutting down grantmaking for good projects > for 3 > >> months for no good reason. > >> > >> However that's not really what's happening. It's more that non-urgent > >> grantmaking is being postponed; and there is a good rationale for it > (one > >> more about wanting to experiment with grantmaking styles, than about the > >> gender gap being a special case). > >> > >> Makes sense to me. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Actually, the experiment is whether such a campaign would drive more > >>> successful grants, as I understand it. It works from the assumption > that > >>> such grants would have a positive impact. I'm happy to go with that > >>> assumption though. > >>> > >>> I still strongly disagree with this initiative, but especially the way > it > >>> is executed. I'm glad to hear that all time-sensitive requests can > still > >>> apply during this period - that would probably be quite a few requests. > >>> > >>> I'm still in the dark as to why this has to be a three month program > >>> (that > >>> is a very long period of time to put everything on hold for an > >>> experiment) > >>> and not just 2-4 weeks. Then you could actually commit to quicker > >>> run-through times in the program, etc. Reducing the time frame would > >>> reduce > >>> the damaging side effect significantly. > >>> > >>> Lodewijk > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Peter Southwood < > >>> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Did you not see the bit about "experimental"? > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Peter > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > >>>> wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Bjoern > Hoehrmann > >>>> Sent: 06 January 2015 05:48 AM > >>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List > >>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good > >>>> projects for 3 months for no reason > >>>> > >>>> * Siko Bouterse wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Why the gender gap? Although we’ve committed to supporting and > >>>>> increasing gender diversity, so far these kinds of projects haven’t > >>>>> emerged organically at any meaningful scale. In the first half of > this > >>>>> year, IEG and PEG have spent only 9% of funds on projects aiming to > >>>>> directly impact this gap and less than ? of our grantee project > leaders > >>>>> > >>>> have been women. > >>>> > >>>>> Without taking time to focus on increasing gender diversity in our > >>>>> content and contributors, this trend is likely to continue. > >>>>> > >>>> What evidence is there that spending more on "gender gap" will have > any > >>>> measurable impact on "gender gap"? I also note that you say "projects" > >>>> have not "emerged". That sounds like people do not actually have ideas > >>>> > >>> how > >>> > >>>> to "impact" "gender gap" with money. Could you identify a couple of > >>>> projects that would have considerable "impact" on "gender gap" but > that > >>>> have been refused funding in the past due to a lack of "focus" on > "gen- > >>>> > >>> der > >>> > >>>> gap"? > >>>> -- > >>>> Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · > >>>> http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de > >>>> D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. 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