Sorry if this was already answered and I overlooked it, but will there be
something like a special form of "advertising" this campaign in order to
attract many requests that propose to do something about the Gender Gap?

2015-01-06 21:11 GMT+01:00 Siko Bouterse <sboute...@wikimedia.org>:

> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Anders Wennersten <
> m...@anderswennersten.se>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Siko, also from me.
> >
> > I do hope that  you use this time to really learn of the dynamics of
> > grants/impact, by following up of earlier experience and also in defining
> > expectations targets etc in a specific area
> >
> > For me an eyeopener was a program run in Sweden by WMSE to get more
> female
> > contributors.  It was funded from outside WMF and primary involved
> > workshops for Wikipedia writing, in a form we are all familiar with. The
> > workshops was run in different middlesized towns and got a very limited
> > attendance, 3-15 persons, whereof only a tiny fraction stayed on as
> > Wikipedians after the workshop.   I got annoyed at first noticing it cost
> > something like 100-200 dollar per participant, and 20 times as much to
> get
> > the one among them who stayed on  but only making some 50-100 edits. I
> saw
> > it as a truly waste of money (not WMF though).
> >
> > But then I learned that those activities attracted more media attention
> > than any other program having been run by WMSE, there must now be between
> > 30-50 coverages in local and nationwide papers and radio stations.  And
> the
> > funding body saw this as a thundering success, and has given even more
> > funding for a second year. And then something happened as a result from
> > this media coverage, more female editors has now a year later turned up!
> >
> > Anders
> >
> >
> Thanks for sharing this example, Anders. We're definitely going to learn a
> lot from this experiment, as I am from this discussion, and will be sharing
> back findings too :)
>
> Your point about media interest as well as longer term impact is super
> important. While we do need to be able to demonstrate some short-term
> impact, I also think that for many of the grants we make the impact can
> really only seen much more clearly in the longer term. So following up well
> after the pilot is over will also be important.
>
> I don't usually think that media coverage alone = thundering success (like
> you, I'd probably have been disappointed at first with the early outcomes
> you mentioned). But I do see that one possible outcome for campaigns like
> this is increased media coverage which in turn could result in longer term
> impact by bringing in more people to the projects. Will be on the lookout
> for this - glad you mentioned it!
>
> Siko
>
>
> >
> >
> > Chris Keating skrev den 2015-01-06 10:53:
> >
> >  Thanks for the details Siko!
> >>
> >> Going back to the original message in this thread - I would indeed be
> >> concerned if the WMF was shutting down grantmaking for good projects
> for 3
> >> months for no good reason.
> >>
> >> However that's not really what's happening. It's more that non-urgent
> >> grantmaking is being postponed; and there is a good rationale for it
> (one
> >> more about wanting to experiment with grantmaking styles, than about the
> >> gender gap being a special case).
> >>
> >> Makes sense to me.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Actually, the experiment is whether such a campaign would drive more
> >>> successful grants, as I understand it. It works from the assumption
> that
> >>> such grants would have a positive impact. I'm happy to go with that
> >>> assumption though.
> >>>
> >>> I still strongly disagree with this initiative, but especially the way
> it
> >>> is executed. I'm glad to hear that all time-sensitive requests can
> still
> >>> apply during this period - that would probably be quite a few requests.
> >>>
> >>> I'm still in the dark as to why this has to be a three month program
> >>> (that
> >>> is a very long period of time to put everything on hold for an
> >>> experiment)
> >>> and not just 2-4 weeks. Then you could actually commit to quicker
> >>> run-through times in the program, etc. Reducing the time frame would
> >>> reduce
> >>> the damaging side effect significantly.
> >>>
> >>> Lodewijk
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Peter Southwood <
> >>> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Did you not see the bit about "experimental"?
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Peter
> >>>>
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> >>>> wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Bjoern
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> >>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good
> >>>> projects for 3 months for no reason
> >>>>
> >>>> * Siko Bouterse wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Why the gender gap? Although we’ve committed to supporting and
> >>>>> increasing gender diversity, so far these kinds of projects haven’t
> >>>>> emerged organically at any meaningful scale. In the first half of
> this
> >>>>> year, IEG and PEG have spent only 9% of funds on projects aiming to
> >>>>> directly impact this gap and less than ? of our grantee project
> leaders
> >>>>>
> >>>> have been women.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Without taking time to focus on increasing gender diversity in our
> >>>>> content and contributors, this trend is likely to continue.
> >>>>>
> >>>> What evidence is there that spending more on "gender gap" will have
> any
> >>>> measurable impact on "gender gap"? I also note that you say "projects"
> >>>> have not "emerged". That sounds like people do not actually have ideas
> >>>>
> >>> how
> >>>
> >>>> to "impact" "gender gap" with money. Could you identify a couple of
> >>>> projects that would have considerable "impact" on "gender gap" but
> that
> >>>> have been refused funding in the past due to a lack of "focus" on
> "gen-
> >>>>
> >>> der
> >>>
> >>>> gap"?
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