transparency does not always have to mean full public access to information (in the cases described by Philippe clearly TMI may be e.g. involving the community and the foundation in lengthy legal disputes, or endanger a discussed individual). However, I definitely understand that we, as a community, may have a need to externally confirm the solidity of reasoning behind bans. I think we already have functionaries of high trust (such as the Board and/or the stewards) who could oversee the process.
best, Dariusz Jemielniak a.k.a. "pundit" On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:19 PM, rubin.happy <rubin.ha...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's the question of trust: there have been too many situations recently > when WMF asked us "just to believe": > > - believe that there were reasons to ban somebody (Russavia) > - believe that there were reasons to switch-off fundraising in Russia > - believe that most readers prefer MultimediaViewer > - believe that there is positive feedback and results from existing > annoying banners for fundraising. > > I don't want to believe, I want to have transparency. > > rubin > > 2015-01-20 15:11 GMT+03:00 Chris McKenna <cmcke...@sucs.org>: > > > As has been explained multiple times in multiple places, the WMF have > been > > advised, for very good legal reasons, not to give details. > > > > "Believe it or not, there's a sensible reason behind our refusal to > > comment: we can execute global bans for a wide variety of things (see the > > Terms of Use for some examples - and no, "provoking Jimbo" is not on the > > list), some of which - including child protection issues - could be quite > > dangerous to openly divulge. Let's say we execute five global bans, and > > tell you the reason behind four of them. Well, the remaining one is > pretty > > clearly for something "really bad", and open knowledge of that could > > endanger the user, their family, any potential law enforcement case, and > > could result in a quite real miscarriage of justice and/or someone being > > placed in real physical danger. So no, we - as with most internet > companies > > - have a very strict policy that we do not comment publicly on the reason > > for global bans. It's a common sense policy and one that's followed by - > > and insisted upon - by almost every reasonable, responsible company that > > executes this type of action. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation > > (talk) 04:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)" > > > > from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#Ban_to_Russavia > > > > Chris > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, rubin.happy wrote: > > > > Bans without explanations are certainly not acceptible. > >> > >> rubin > >> > >> 2015-01-20 14:18 GMT+03:00 Ricordisamoa <ricordisa...@openmailbox.org>: > >> > >> It is now clear that the superprotect affair was only a preliminary > move. > >>> Now they hide themselves behind a collective account < > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WMFOffice> issuing batches of > >>> global > >>> locks <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&; > >>> type=globalauth&user=WMFOffice&year=2015&month=1> and writing > >>> boilerplate > >>> replies <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk: > >>> WMFOffice&diff=10982297>. > >>> As with the superprotect, the how is to blame, not the what. Note that > I > >>> do not object global locks at all. > >>> What I object is the lack of a published reason for them, and the > >>> community interaction that Lila called so deeply for. > >>> They can play with the Terms Of Use, protecting any page on any project > >>> and global-locking any account "to protect the integrity and safety of > >>> the > >>> site and users", actually at their sole discretion. > >>> The breach of trust is complete now. The only thing that may stop me > from > >>> leaving the projects for good is my loyalty to the volunteer community. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > > > ---- > > Chris McKenna > > > > cmcke...@sucs.org > > www.sucs.org/~cmckenna > > > > > > The essential things in life are seen not with the eyes, > > but with the heart > > > > Antoine de Saint Exupery > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- __________________________ prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego i centrum badawczego CROW Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010 Recenzje Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml Pacific Standard: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/ Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia The Wikipedian: http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
