Dear Pine,

Thanks for your question.

I think that the idea of merging Outreach into Meta would probably benefit
from some discussion among the users of both wikis, to see if such a change
would work for them. :)

For instance, the Meta community would need to be comfortable with folding
in functionaries from Outreach -- just as Outreach functionaries would need
to be comfortable with Meta functionaries operating in Outreach space --
unless there is some technical way to restrict administrators to only those
projects for which they were chosen.

Obviously, either way, if such a merger happened, we would need to maintain
many redirects, since printed documents
<https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Brochures> refer to specific
pages within Outreach -- and we would have to make sure to maintain those
redirects if pages on Meta were moved.

I don't know all of the history behind why Outreach and Meta are separate,
since it predates my work in the movement. What matters to me, personally,
is best coordination of the work, wherever that happens.

Your thoughts on this are welcome over at the Outreach wiki village pump.

Kind regards,

Anna


--

Anna Koval, M.Ed.
Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
Wikimedia Foundation
+1.415.839.6885 x6729
ako...@wikimedia.org
education.wikimedia.org

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Anna,
>
> In the long run I think it would be beneficial to move at least some of the
> content of Outreach into LPL where it would be easier to search.
>
> Perhaps you can enlighten me about the purpose of keeping Outreach separate
> from Meta. I think the idea is that Outreach is easier to navigate for
> outsiders than Meta is. However we could redirect outreach.wikimedia.org
> to
> a namespace on Meta that is similar to the Grants namespace with a
> restricted search option. Particularly after the recent LPL upgrades, I
> think it would be good to consider fully merging Outreach into Meta. What
> do you think?
>
> Pine
> On Feb 4, 2015 6:35 AM, "Anna Koval" <ako...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear Nemo,
> >
> > There is, of course, other documentation on mediawiki already.
> >
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Education_Program
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Education_Program
> >
> > However, having additional how-to type pages in the help namespace is a
> > great idea. I didn't realize that there were not already any help pages
> on
> > mediawiki about the education program extension. Thank you for pointing
> > that out. We can plan to add some.
> >
> > It is my understanding that Meta and Outreach wikis actually are
> > appropriate places to share information about the this extension in these
> > contexts.
> >
> > On Meta wiki, that page is part of the Learning Pattern Library, and as
> > such, it explains a "problem" that the extension "solves".
> >
> > On Outreach wiki, that page provides information for education program
> > volunteers who might be wish to more learn about it in order to work with
> > their communities to enable it on their projects.
> >
> > It is true that much of the information, on Outreach, in particular, is
> > somewhat technical in nature, and somewhat duplicative of information
> that
> > is available on mediawiki.org, but that is that something I am working
> on
> > updating and improving. I welcome your input on that process; we could
> > discuss it on the talk page.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Anna
> >
> > --
> >
> > Anna Koval, M.Ed.
> > Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > +1.415.839.6885 x6729
> > ako...@wikimedia.org
> > education.wikimedia.org
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <
> nemow...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Samir Elsharbaty, 04/02/2015 03:08:
> > >
> > >> It seems that the
> > >> extension already covers most of what was suggested here:
> > >>
> > >>  - A teacher or wiki-mentor could make a shared watchlist of their
> > >>>   student's draft pages.
> > >>> - An editathon organiser could create a shared watchlist of all the
> > >>>   articles within the scope of the event.
> > >>> - A wikiproject could create several shared watchlists to group
> related
> > >>>   articles for members to more easily monitor.
> > >>> - probably many other use-cases that might emerge...
> > >>>
> > >>
> > > Ah, does it. My understanding is that this has been considered feature
> > > bloat, to be removed in a rewrite of the extension.
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Editor_campaigns
> > >
> > > If it works for you, however, it can hopefully scale. I suggest that
> you
> > > comment on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Gather to suggest they
> > > split the shared watchlist feature out of the Education extension
> > >
> > >
> > >> If this is the case why shall we have a new extension with the same
> > >> features?
> > >>
> > >> Please have a look at this page which covers the features and use of
> the
> > >> Ed
> > >> extension:
> > >> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Extension
> > >>
> > >> Also this learning pattern would help understanding how it works:
> > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Learning_patterns/
> > >> Using_the_education_extension
> > >>
> > >
> > > These are not appropriate places for documentation of a MediaWiki
> > > extension. Please move to the Help namespace of mediawiki.org.
> > >
> > > Nemo
> > >
> > >
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