I deeply apologize. It is not easy with wordings when you are non native English. I meant to use a word meaning "member of an order" if now Order means the same in English as in Swedish. Or member in a collective group which share some common insights/experiences.

Of the 45 I mention 6 are female (13%) (yes of course we know each other so well). And of course these are just as active, respected etc as the men

Anders



Jane Darnell skrev den 2015-03-05 15:54:
Anders,
Very ironic to read the word "fraternity" here when we are in the middle of
the whole "Inspire campaign" launch, but I assume there are women in that
group and they are just "lost in translation"?
Jane

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:

Very, very interesting to get a perspective from the biggest, svwp being a
small project.

You use the word "full member of the community" which I like. I would say
we 45 at svwp could be seen a a fraternity, we know each other rather well.
It will not be possible in the same way if you are 1144, but probably for
the 215 you mention

The fraternity  thinking has now for us also been extended into that no
block for more then a few hours (for cooling off)  is allowed for sysops
to  set on senior editors. Full members of community will only be blocked
longer then a day after a discussion by its peers . So no admin harassment
allowed when you have come into this level of seniority.  (and what the use
of blocking these, they come back anyway, under the same or another nick)

Anders







WereSpielChequers skrev den 2015-03-05 13:59:

On the English language Wikipedia we definitely have a phenomenon that
editors with high edit counts will stay until a major event drives them
away.

But the the threshold may not be 38,000 edits, we have 1,444 editor
accounts that have achieved that, and that may no longer be enough to
commit you to the site.

The 14 editors with 500,000 or more edits are all currently active, some
are still among the most active editors on the site. Though the active
definition on [[:en:WP:EDITS]] is merely one or more edits in the last 30
days.

Of the 215 most active editors, 32 are inactive for various reasons and 7
have anonymised themselves on the list of most active editors (though they
may be active). So 80-85% of our most active editors are still around.
Possibly more when you allow for the fact that at least one of those 32 has
closed that account and now edits from another one.

Sadly our admins have not been so likely to stay with us, only 579 are
still active as admins, though of the 1500 or so former admins quite a few
still edit.

Of course the length of tenure for both groups is likely to be unusual.
The vast majority of en wiki admins were appointed more than 7 years ago
and it takes time to accumulate a really high edit count. Though we have
fewer editors with over 100,000 edits than we have active admins, at
current rates that will change in 2016, in recent months we are seeing more
editors  do their 100,000th edit than become admins. I suspect one of our
problems is that we have fewer ways for newish editors to feel they have
become an established member of the community. To some extent GLAM, the
chapters and the education program do this, and of course the good and
Featured article processes. But we shouldn't be surprised that fewer people
are staying on after their 100th or 1000th edit, as that is the stage in
their wiki career where they are likely to think that they will never
become a full member of the community.

Regards

Jonathan/WereSpielChequers


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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:44:30 +0100
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On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each made
more then 38000 edits.
Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has  left (in 2009) making
97,7 still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only about
6 out of 10 is still active.

Is this a global valid number, that when you have made 38000 edits you
are fully addicted to Wikipedia ("until death do us part")?


Anders







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Hoi,
I hope not.. If it were I am a basket case. Hmmm not Wikipedia ... does
Wikidata count ? What number of edits would be sufficient ??
Thanks,
      GerardM

On 4 March 2015 at 17:44, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:

  On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each made
more then 38000 edits.
Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has  left (in 2009) making
97,7
still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only about 6
out
of 10 is still active.

Is this a global valid number, that when you have made 38000 edits you
are
fully addicted to Wikipedia ("until death do us part")?


Anders

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 18:19:24 +0100
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Il 04/03/2015 17:44, Anders Wennersten ha scritto:

On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each
made more then 38000 edits.
Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has  left (in 2009) making
97,7 still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only
about 6 out of 10 is still active.

Is this a global valid number, that when you have made 38000 edits you
are fully addicted to Wikipedia ("until death do us part")?


Anders

I've just exceeded 38000 global edits
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Ricordisamoa>. I'm
done for!


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