Speaking of specialized lists, I'd like to suggest that this discussion
would be well suited to Research-l, where many people who are interested in
these kinds of questions read and write about them more frequently than
they do on Wikimedia-l. I'm boldly adding that list to the recipients for
I have some thoughts about the substance of this discussion but they're a
bit rushed at the moment. I may write more later.
On Jun 2, 2015 4:32 AM, "Milos Rancic" <mill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Luis, I have to say that you are the first person on WMF side who has
> substantially engaged into this issue and I am very glad to see that :)
> The products of your work are of the highest importance, as the community
> is the most important part of our movement, not to say that it's the
> movement itself.
> I am finally relieved to know that we are on the path to rationally
> understand what's going on inside of the community after short 14.5 years.
> It would be good if you'd share your results with the rest of us.
> As for this list: As MZ said, this list is important. However, there is no
> doubt that it's far from being the only or even the most important
> indicator of community health. It is just about one of the rare publicly
> accessible data which could give a clue of what's going on inside of the
> community, but could mislead, as well.
> On Jun 2, 2015 04:39, "Luis Villa" <lvi...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Luis Villa <lvi...@wikimedia.org>
> > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> 3. Participation in the mailing list may be a misleading indicator
> > > >> activity or interest, as other regional or specialized forums (eg.
> > > >> Facebook, GLAM-oriented lists, etc) have emerged in recent years.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Let me second this. My department is thinking about community health
> > > > metrics (constructive suggestions welcome!), but I would not
> > > > propose mailing list participation (especially this list) as a good
> > > metric
> > > > - decreased participation here may reflect many, many things, only
> > > of
> > > > which are actually negative.
> > >
> > > This is not the only one indicator, but it's pretty consistent since
> > > 2011 (take a look into ). In other words, something happened in
> > > May. Maybe it's actually about the elections because people used other
> > > means of communication for that.
> > >
> > Looking briefly at some of the highest-traffic months, it could simply be
> > that people got tired of discussing high-controversy topics here.
> > (Flamewars are good for traffic volume; not so great for community
> > I'm sure Facebook's increased acceptance also has a role. I suspect also
> > that some announcements that used to come here now go to other, more
> > specialized mailing lists.
> > That last one points to a key thing: as MZ says, many people are
> > to this list, but many don't read and don't participate, because this
> > mailing list has an *awful* reputation, and people who want to get things
> > done are going elsewhere. So "the decline of wikimedia-l" may be a sign
> > bad health of the overall community, or it may simply mean that the
> > and constructive parts of the community has moved elsewhere.
> > To re-iterate what I said in the last email, I'm all ears for suggestions
> > on creative community metrics. I'll add here that I'm also very open to
> > suggestions on what a new wikimedia-l might look like. (I know some FOSS
> > communities are having good experiences with discourse.org, for
> > No commitment that WMF can act on either immediately, of course, but I
> > think it is worth starting both of those discussions.
> > Luis
> > --
> > Luis Villa
> > Sr. Director of Community Engagement
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > *Working towards a world in which every single human being can freely
> > in the sum of all knowledge.*
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