Hello all,

Could we keep this discussion on one mailing list (or at least on all of
them consistently if possible please? I'm missing out on parts of the
conversation :-)

Richard Symonds
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On 4 June 2015 at 10:20, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hoi,
> I am not championing Sparkle and other wonderful tools. I am adding data
> and i do no longer have the time. While I applaud your work it does not
> bring new data like the date of death into Wikidata. It works on the back
> of the work of the drones like me who add data. Your work while important
> is secondary and therefore your preferences are secondary.
>
> The primary need is to bring quality information to Wikidata. Quality is
> not in sources but it is in knowing that there is agreement on the data and
> where there is not, only then sources become interesting at this stage or
> our game.
>
> I will blog about the relative worth of sources in the near future. At this
> time I find it mostly a distraction because we are not working on
> comparison of data as long as it is not used to bring quality everwhere it
> does not do what I am looking for. It is concentrating on single facts and
> not on quality in the first place.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
> On 4 June 2015 at 10:49, Markus Kroetzsch <markus.kroetz...@tu-dresden.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Gerard,
> >
> > On 04.06.2015 09:26, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> >
> >> Hoi,
> >> An argument rages about the significance of the English WIkipedia using
> >> Wikidata for person data, things like date of death.
> >>
> >
> > I don't see an argument raging anywhere, though you seem to be raging
> > quite a bit ;-) Maybe you have been discussing elsewhere than on the
> > DBpedia or Wikidata mailing lists? (Are the Dutch Wikipedians discussing
> > this maybe? If it's not in English, could you give us a summary of the
> > issues discussed in this argument?)
> >
> > From my point of view, it would be great if DBpedia could donate some of
> > its data to Wikidata. For example, there could be a bot that imports
> "date
> > of death" statements from Wikipedia via DBpedia as you suggested. The
> > Wikidata community has imported many statements from Wikipedia in the
> past
> > and I don't see a big problem doing this with DBpedia in the middle if
> > people feel that this is easier than extracting stuff from Wikipedia
> right
> > away. I think the reason why it is not done is that nobody has prepared
> and
> > proposed such a bot yet. If there is nobody from DBpedia who can help
> with
> > this, maybe the best people to approach would be the bot authors who have
> > helped to import all the existing personal data into Wikidata.
> >
> > As I wrote in my previous email to the Wikidata list, I would prefer if
> > Wikipedia-scraped data (whether from DBpedia or not) would go through the
> > primary sources tool, to help Wikidata to get rid of all the "imported
> from
> > Wikipedia" references. But this does not apply to DBpedia specifically in
> > any way.
> >
> > Anyway, let's not over-dramatise this discussion. If you want to champion
> > this work, you could start by doing a simple query against the DBpedia
> and
> > Wikidata SPARQL endpoints to count how many dates of death each of these
> > datasets contains right now. The next step would be to use another simple
> > query to display the most recent dates of death so as to compare them.
> This
> > could give the community a sense of whether a large-scale bot action, a
> > Wikidata game, primary sources, or a simple list of "editing suggestions"
> > could be the right tool of getting the missing data into Wikidata.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Markus
> >
> >
> >> DBpedia does a better job than Wikidata does and it does it because they
> >> not only use dumps to update their information but they also use
> >> information from RSS. Therefore they do a better job than volunteers
> >> like myself at Wikidata do.
> >>
> >> In my blogpost [1] I argue for cooperation. My point is very much that
> >> increasingly I find I do no longer have the time to maintain the data
> >> for people who died in 2014 or 2015. I have done that the last two
> years..
> >>
> >> I desperately want to do other things with Wikidata, things that are
> >> more relevant. PLEASE consider cooperating with the DBpedia people. They
> >> are part of our ecosystem, they want to share and they want to make
> >> their data available with our license.
> >> Thanks,
> >>         GerardM
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
> >>
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/06/english-wikipedia-and-those-who-died-in.html
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > --
> > Markus Kroetzsch
> > Faculty of Computer Science
> > Technische Universit├Ąt Dresden
> > +49 351 463 38486
> > http://korrekt.org/
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