Am 19.08.2015 11:19 schrieb "Andrea Zanni" <zanni.andre...@gmail.com>:
>
> [sorry for cross-posting]
>
> Hello everyone.
>
> Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good to talk these
> kind of things together with the whole community. It's a way to improve
> collaboration, I hope.
>
> Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached an
> agreement in which
> * 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner
>  * 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner
>  * 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM
> campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a
> fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.)
>
> We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the last 2-3 days
of
> September, as they are very important days in terms of number of photo
> uploads: we'll see if we manage to find an agreement also there.
>
> I'd like to declare that the conversation with the fundraising team have
> been nothing less than polite and contructive: at the same time, there
*is*
> a "banner conflict", and we will both suffer from this.
> Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the end FR decided to
> leave us the banner for the whole September, but the final days.
>
> This year the conflict is on the whole month of September, and WLM in
Italy
> will definitely suffer (as it does also in normal conditions ;-).
> This is a pity because:
> * FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now in a rush and
> cannot really change their plans

How ridiculous. As if WMF would urgently need this money from Italy and as
if it's hard work to change the date when some fundraising banners are
shown to October.

> * WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well, as it has done
> for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his plans on WLM in the FDC
> appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing also that last year there was the
> same issue, it's fair to say, I hope, that from WMIT part there was no
lack
> of communication.
>
> I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision the one that
> counts.
> This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not put up a
fight
> (or a scene). We manage to reach a more favorable agreement for WLM (we
> asked for the first and last week of September, as they are in our opinion
> the most important).
>
> What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with the Funds
> Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our goals and figures and
> metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors in Italy for WLM, and it will not
be
> easy to explain them if numbers drop dramatically.
> Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of organization and
> management in Italy.
>
> Of course, this is the last time this problem has to happen. If the WMF is
> committed in running the FR banner in September in Italy (it seems it's
the
> most favorable month), WMIT will have to change WLM and run it in October.
> I don't see other solutions.
>
> I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea Zanni
> Wikimedia Italia
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these things?
> > Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not
> > crippled at the last minute?
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Liam Wyatt
> > Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015 10:06 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Cc: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked
> > by WMF fundraising
> >
> > On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip <attolip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?
> > >
> > >  The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and
> > feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the
> > 2015-16 fundraiser at:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas
> >
> > Some of the feedback is "perennial" - we have the same debates every
year.
> > But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested
> > comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that
> > people use it.
> >
> > -Liam
> >
> >
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