First, thanks to all of those who worked in good faith, with patience and
care for each other to solve this problem. I appreciate the level of
compromise and empathy that was required from teams at WMIL and WMF. Thank
you!

Second, I want to highlight that this is a *our* issue, we are a community
and we need to think about our *one mission* to engage every human with
knowledge, before our individual goals. Let's please remember that before
we detract and distract with polarizing rhetoric (you know who you are on
this list). Bring up issues, suggest solutions. But please, in good faith
and with care for each other.

Thanks all,
Lila


On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> I was referring to the fundraising targets, which have been cited as a
> cause of the dispute. WMIT/WLM have explained at length their reasons for
> needing banners in September. I am in no position to comment on whether
> their analysis is correct or not . Fundraising has not been so forthcoming
> in response to queries.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W
> Sent: Friday, 04 September 2015 1:45 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in
> Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
>
> I guess I'm not clear on whether you're asking about the Fundraising
> targets or the WLM/WMIT targets, or both. Can you clarify?
>
> My understanding from this email chain is that there will be a
> deconfliction of banner space via better scheduling next year. I think that
> someone suggested setting up a calendar to track banner use, which might
> also be helpful.
>
> I think I'll step out of this conversation for the moment, and let the
> stakeholders take it from here.
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > One of the basic tenets of health and safety, is that if you have a
> > near miss incident, it should be analysed the same way that a fatal
> > incident would be investigated. Not to apportion blame, even if it is
> > due, but so that the same situation can be avoided in the future.
> > Organisations that fail to do this are doomed to repeat their
> > mistakes, not necessarily by the same people, who may well have
> > learned, but often by other departments, where the people did not get
> the opportunity to learn by the mistake.
> > Refusal to answer reasonable and legitimate questions by stakeholders
> > often leads to accusations of conspiracy and bad faith and can end in
> > the local demagogues, of which we have an adequate supply, inciting
> > the torch and pitchfork brigade. Things may go downhill at this point.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W
> > Sent: Friday, 04 September 2015 8:43 AM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments
> > in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
> >
> > Yes, I think it is the case that Fundraising and other organizations
> > (like the WLM coordinators, Wikimedia Italia, and Community Resources
> > / FDC) were working from different playbooks. But now that Fundraising
> > has agreed to change their plans, I think we should give them some
> > breathing room, especially because they say that banner scheduling
> > will be coordinated next year.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Peter Southwood <
> > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Who set the targets that will now not be met, how were they decided,
> > > and when were they set? I must assume that WLM annual project was
> > > not taken into consideration by these planners.
> > > Cheers,
> > > P
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> > > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W
> > > Sent: Thursday, 03 September 2015 10:51 PM
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves
> > > Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
> > >
> > > I just want to respond to this point in particular:
> > >
> > > "Postponing the Italian fundraising campaign means for the first
> > > time in at least 4 years, the fundraising team will not be meeting a
> > > target. The team will pick up extra work in October to make up for
> > > work missed in September.
> > > It's not possible to do two months of work in one month, so there
> > > will need to be adjustments later throughout the year to make up for
> > > missing the September target."
> > >
> > > It was somewhat courageous for WMF Fundraising to change its
> > > schedule and forecast missing a target as a result. Two quotes seem
> > > appropriate in the context of this conversation, particularly
> > > regarding WMF's taking the community's priorities into account and
> > > absorbing the risks to its plans that come with changing to
> accommodate WLM:
> > >
> > > "Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also
> > > what it takes to sit down and listen." -- Winston Churchill.
> > >
> > > "Either you decide to stay in the shallow end of the pool or you go
> > > out in the ocean." --Christopher Reeve
> > >
> > > Thanks Megan and all.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Mathias Damour <
> > > mathias.dam...@laposte.net
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Le 31/08/2015 13:02, Megan Hernandez a écrit :
> > > >
> > > >> Postponing the Italian fundraising campaign means for the first
> > > >> time in at least 4 years, the fundraising team will not be
> > > >> meeting a target. The team will pick up extra work in October to
> > > >> make up for work missed in September.
> > > >> It's not possible to do two months of work in one month, so there
> > > >> will need to be adjustments later throughout the year to make up
> > > >> for missing the September target.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > The WMF team is without any doubt very professional in "meeting
> > > > its target" and in smooth communication.
> > > >
> > > > We should also understand that despite the huge growth of the WMF
> > > > these last few years, it may feel an inferiority complex and think
> > > > it has a backlog to catch up compared to some much richer
> > > > neighbouring companies in the San Francisco Bay ! I guess they
> > > > roughly think: "Why should we have 15 time less employees than
> > > > Twitter !" That's why raising up the fundraising targets can be
> > > > more important than to facilitate a WLM event in just one
> > > > not-so-big country ! :-P
> > > >
> > > > Nevertheless it still give the impression of taking the word-wide
> > > > donors, the volunteers and the other entities (chapters) for
> > > > pawns/chess pieces that you may move or stop whenever you want or
> > need...
> > > > Maybe the ones to blame are the neighbouring internet companies
> > > > for setting a bad example to the WMF... :-\
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mathias Damour
> > > > [[User:Astirmays]]
> > > >
> > > >
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