Hi Risker, On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We do not expect anyone to add information to any other > project when they create content on the project of their choice. I'm thinking the Insert Media option in VE: there, we are giving the editor the option to upload Media to the article which in reality means uploading Media to Commons if I'm not missing something. The workflow is very smooth, and the Wikipedia editor does not need to know about Commons to follow the flow. Leila > On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here. > > On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be > > added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual > > interwikis existed. > > > > And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message > > after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata. > > > > Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further > > settings are possible. > > > > At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not > > added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not added > to > > Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100 new > > articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki, > and > > a huge workload to get them added properly. > > > > Romaine > > > > > > 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker <risker...@gmail.com>: > > > > > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"? > > > > > > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't > really > > > feel comfortable with. We don't expect people to add images to Commons > > > when they write an article. We don't expect people to include > > definitions > > > in Wiktionary when they are using a word. We don't expect people to be > > > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote. For that > > matter, > > > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they > review > > > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they add > to > > > Wikiquote. So why would we set up any kind of expectation that people > > > would add "data" to Wikidata? > > > > > > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly > put, > > > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add > junk > > > data to Wikidata. Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing and > > > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't > be > > > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily. > > > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > > > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a > > > better > > > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects. > > > > > > > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are > not > > > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject > exists. > > > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is > no > > > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after > > the > > > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc) > in > > > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the > > first > > > > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be > better > > if > > > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay > in > > > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata. > > > > > > > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of > > > properties > > > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further > > > properties. > > > > > > > > This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia > and > > > her > > > > sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow. > > > > > > > > For this I created a Phabricator task at: > > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070 > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Romaine > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > < > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
