WereSpielChequers, I talked about that in the thread, if WLM and WLE would be closer (some countries are) to communities WP, Commons,... the result would be better. " I would like to see Wikimedia Commons volunteers be involved in the process, to create more clear, précised, and aligned rules for the contest, otherwise they will use Commons as a uploader" same for WP. This communities, directly impacted by this contests should develop the metrics, not the ones requesting money.
How this projects will help WP/Commons if they are not listening the communities? They probably are creating more problem than solutions. This talk is about that: https://www.ted.com/talks/ernesto_sirolli_want_to_help_someone_shut_up_and_listen?language=en On 31 October 2015 at 18:57, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > Maybe it is time to reconsider some of our standard metrics for wiki loves > monuments. > > One of the big gains in several countries has been to get a list of > monuments into Wikipedia maybe in future direct into wikidata. I think that > the standard metrics should reflect that, OK it is metadata, but our > metrics should put more value on the metadata we achieve. > > Sometimes wiki loves monuments gives us lots more images of something we > already have reasonable pictures of. Sometimes it gives us images of > notable monuments that we don't yet have articles about. Or it gives us > interior shots of a building that already have a featured photo of the > exterior. > > I suggest we think of three metrics here: > How many monuments have we gone from no images to images? > How many monuments do we have better quality images for? > How many monuments do we have images for more of their features? > > Number of images used is an over hasty metric, perhaps five years after > the contest we could measure this and get a very different statistic. > Sometimes we need much more patience to see how wikipedians will use > materials over time. This is likely to be especially true in countries > where we don't currently have much coverage in terms of articles. > > Another way to tell the story is to give us examples of gaps that we have > filled. For example, the article on ******* church explained that it was > listed as a national monument because of the quality of the frescos inside > it, as a result of WLM we now have photos of those frescos available for > the article. > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:23:45 -0200 > > From: Rodrigo Padula <rodrigopad...@wikimedia.org.br> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <firstname.lastname@example.org> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Enc: Re: WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers > > Message-ID: > > <150bf24187a.1270e0110548608.5396703623173748...@wikimedia.org.br> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > I see a lot of good results and contributions here and as pointed by > Ilario, we reached great part of our measures of success > > > > WLM 2015 > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Campaign:wlm-br > > - 4.453 photos > > - 411 uploaders > > - 325 new users registered on commons > > > > WLM 2014+2015 > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Campaign:wle-br > > - 20 095 photos > > - 2866 uploaders > > - 2727 new users registered on commons > > > > Only to complete, the first place on WLE 2014 was elected the second > place on the WLE 2014 International and that same picture was selected in > 7# place during the picture of the year on commons. > > > > Now in 2015 we have more pictures selected in the WLE international > contest. > > > > Including all the media coverage and all impact on social media, for a > small User Group approved in 2015, it's huge!!! > > > > Rodrigo Padula > > Coordenador de Projetos > > Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa > > http://www.wikimedia.org.br > > 21 99326-0558 > > > > > > > > > > ---- Em Sáb, 31 Out 2015 15:43:49 -0200 Ilario > Valdelli<valde...@gmail.com> escreveu ---- > > > > Again, and again. > > > > "Success for whom"? > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research/Wiki_Loves_Earth_Brasil_2015#Measures_of_success > > > > The section "measure of success" reports: > > > > at least 400 participants uploading one photograph or more; > > at least 5,000 photos uploaded; > > at least 15% of photos used on Wikipedia; > > at least 50% of new users engagement during the contest; > > at least 10 new articles about natural heritage sites in Brasil; > > at least 10% of new user retention after 2 months of the contest. > > > > Rodrigo reports: > > > > Pictures uploaded: 4.443 > > Uploaders: 411 > > New users registered on Commons: 325 > > New users engagement: 79% > > Pictures user on Wikipedia: 86 (2%) > > > > > > Are the goals reached? Basically yes. When the project has been financed > > it was clear that the definition "success" was based on those measures. > > > > There is no success for a specific person on an individual and personal > > criteria. > > > > The user group of Brazil has not asked nothing special, this is a normal > > budget for any WLM or WLE in several countries. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimediaemail@example.com > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>