On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/11/15 22:25, Isarra Yos wrote:
>
> Hi, thank you for your response. This does clarify a lot.
>
> Why do you make the distinction that UX designers also do visual when you
> stated already that you also have specifically visual designers? Are the
> visual designers the ones doing the UI standardisation?
>
> How does Design Research relate to the rest of this? You state that they
> are not designers, but their work is an integral part of the user
> experience design process.
>
>
Hi Isarra,

Yeah, the current organizational structure is confusing that way.  However,
Design Research works pretty closely with designers (although we don't
currently work on every product... that's  partially a capacity issue, and
it needs to change).

To take one example: I've been working with Pau Giner on a series of user
studies to evaluate the design of a new Notifications prototype:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Global_notifications_user_research

And FWIW, 'UX [designer, engineer]' is a title that I've never been able to
parse either ;)

J





>
> Also, in the future, could you please use a darker colour (or even just
> leave it as the default) for your emails? That grey is really hard to read
> and I misread a few things the first time that made it look a little...
> different from what you obviously meant.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On 10/11/15 22:04, Sherah Smith wrote:
>
> Hi Isarra,
>
> >> what is the 'design team'?
>
> Even though the design team (as it used to be) is now split out under
> different managers with no centralized Director, we still consider
> ourselves a "team" in that we still work together across teams to maintain
> consistency and provide feedback, collaborate, and review one another's
> work where needed. We have a weekly meeting and regularly talk and
> brainstorm in person across teams to support one another in our work.
>
> Design Research is the team that conducts research that informs the design
> of products we build on all other teams. The employees on this team are not
> designers.
>
> Reading Design is a sub-team under Reading, and it designs reading
> experiences, mostly for mobile platforms. Where you see "Visual Designer"
> as a title, that person works on visual designs. "UX Designer" works on
> combinations of visual and user experience design, mostly the latter, and
> "UX Engineer" builds interactive prototypes and interaction design.
>
> The reorganization that you reference happened in late April this year and
> was not a decision the design team itself made. Rather, it came from upper
> management. We do now work within the teams you see listed on the staff
> page, on experiences for those teams specifically. So for example, you will
> not see a designer on the Search & Discovery team working on experiences
> for the Editing team.
>
> Is there a particular concern you have about this organization that you
> feel like we should be discussing, or does this answer your questions?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From time to time I see references to the 'design team' on lists and on
>> phabricator. But what does this really mean now? As I understood it, the
>> previous monolithic Design Team was essentially disbanded toward the
>> beginning of the year, with the designers themselves distributed amongst
>> the other WMF teams in order to more directly integrate their services into
>> the development workflow (which sounds like a pretty good idea to me, at
>> least, since design is such an integral part of most development). Did this
>> happen? According to
>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors, there seem
>> to still be two teams now with the word 'design' in their names, Reading
>> Design and Design Research, though these both seem to have somewhat more
>> specialised functions than just general design, namely Reading (sounds like
>> front-end non-interactive mw stuff, the visuals perhaps?) and Research.
>>
>> So what is the 'design team'? Is it one of these, though the teams only
>> have 5 and 4 people on them, respectively? Is it just WMF designers in
>> general?
>>
>> As much as this is also just a plea to please be more specific, if you
>> have an actual answer, or if you have been saying this, please, speak up,
>> share your experience and where you're coming from. As confusing as it is,
>> I suspect a discussion of what and why this has been going on could also
>> clear up quite a bit.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -I
>>
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