Anne, do you imagine to publish income per person that way?
On Nov 25, 2015 04:53, "Risker" <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Nikki.  Yes, about 70% of the costs were broken down, more or
> less.  But almost 30% - totalling over US$635,000 - is undifferentiated
> "floating capacity" and "administrative costs".  Those two amounts, which
> are not broken down by program, total more than any other Wikimedia
> movement entity except WMDE has received in the past three rounds.
>
> User:Risker - FDC member
>
>
>
> On 24 November 2015 at 10:13, Nicola Zeuner <nicola.zeu...@wikimedia.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Risker, Gerard et al.,
> >
> > Just a quick correction:
> >
> > WMDE did indeed provide a detailed cost breakdown for Wikidata costs as
> > well as other software development costs, down to the activity level, in
> > table 6b, in the financial section
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1/Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V./Proposal_form#Financials:_upcoming_year.27s_annual_plan
> > >
> > of
> > the WMDE proposal.
> >
> > When first FDC member Risker
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1/Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V./Proposal_form#Questions_from_Risker
> > >
> >  and then FDC staff
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1/Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V./Proposal_form#budget_.26_finances
> > >
> > asked
> > about a separation of costs, our response referred them to table 6b, and
> > clarified that the first *eight* line items cover core Wikidata
> development
> > work (the remaining five items cover closely related development and
> > community activities that support Wikidata).
> >
> > Hope this helps to inform this discussion.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nikki Zeuner (WMDE)
> >
> >
> > Nikki Zeuner
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> > 2015-11-24 14:47 GMT+01:00 Risker <risker...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Hello Gerard -
> > >
> > > The recommended grant for Wikimedia Deutschland is larger than ever,
> and
> > > represents a 42% increase from last year's grant.  This is a massive
> > > increase.  Please don't confuse the fact that WMDE did not get
> everything
> > > it wanted with whether or not Wikidata is underfunded.  Remember, the
> > > request was not just for Wikidata funding, and despite many attempts by
> > the
> > > FDC to get precise data on the actual planned expenses for Wikidata,
> the
> > > committee was not provided with this information.  While the funds
> > provided
> > > are restricted (in that they can only be spent on the projects WMDE
> > applied
> > > for), WMDE can spend the entire amount on Wikidata if it wants to.
> > Perhaps
> > > that is where you might want to turn your attention.
> > >
> > > User:Risker - FDC member
> > >
> > > On 24 November 2015 at 04:02, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > So in essence one of the most relevant development project -
> Wikidata -
> > > > that is arguably already underfunded will be even more underfunded
> and
> > we
> > > > have to say thank you for doing a good job? Ok.. I thank Wikimedia
> > > Germany
> > > > for doing a stellar job. It is an acknowledged source for inspiration
> > > and I
> > > > have been really happy in all the contacts that I have had with them
> > over
> > > > the years.
> > > >
> > > > It is not up to me to doubt the sincere efforts of the FDC but I am
> > > > saddened that while WMF has more cash than that it can spend
> important
> > > work
> > > > is curtailed .. for what? Other development projects are not treated
> in
> > > > this way and a great opportunity to do even more is missed as a
> result.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >      GerardM
> > > >
> > > > On 24 November 2015 at 03:04, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thank you FDC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many of the small and midsized APG requests fared well in this
> round.
> > > > That
> > > > > is nice to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > I find it concerning that the larger the organization, the more
> > > problems
> > > > > the FDC  seemed to find with the org's budget and performance
> > > management
> > > > > practices. One would expect the larger organizations to have mature
> > and
> > > > > robust practices in these areas. Regarding WMF in particular, my
> > > concerns
> > > > > about its budget practices are well documented and I appreciate
> that
> > > the
> > > > > FDC is also taking note of the persistence of the problems. I hope
> > that
> > > > WMF
> > > > > will get serious about its financial transpatency.
> > > > >
> > > > > A couple of questions about Wikidata:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm confused about the funding for Wikidata. In one place the FDC
> > says
> > > > that
> > > > > "Nonetheless, the FDC is exasperated by the inability of WMDE to to
> > > > > disaggregate the costs of Wikidata from other projects." and in
> > another
> > > > > place the FDC says that "We have recommended a reduced amount for
> > WMDE
> > > in
> > > > > this round with the expectation that WMDE will not cut Wikidata or
> > > their
> > > > > other tech development work, but will instead find cost savings
> > > elsewhere
> > > > > in its annual plan." If the FDC wants a disaggregated budget (which
> > is
> > > > > understandable) then why is the FDC expecting WMDE to dip into its
> > > other
> > > > > funds and/or make cuts elsewhere in order to cover the work in this
> > > > > proposal that the FDC is declining to fund in this proposal? This
> > > > > expectation seems to be a bit of a contradiction.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm also wondering how WMDE is able to submit a dedicated request
> for
> > > > > restricted funding for Wikidata if the Wikidata project is so
> > > integrated
> > > > > into WMDE's other budgets that the FDC finds the integration to be
> > > > > problematic. Can the FDC or our colleagues at WMDE explain this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Wikidata is a high profile project with a good reputation, and I
> hope
> > > > that
> > > > > the issues can be resolved soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Pine
> > > > > On Nov 23, 2015 14:09, "matanya moses" <mata...@foss.co.il> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Wikimedians,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tl;dr: The FDC’s recommendations for this round of the APG grant
> > > > requests
> > > > > > have now been published at:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2015-2016_round1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) meets twice a year to
> help
> > > make
> > > > > > decisions about how to effectively allocate movement funds to
> > achieve
> > > > the
> > > > > > Wikimedia movement's mission, vision, and strategy. [1] We met
> for
> > > four
> > > > > > days last week in San Francisco to review 11 proposals submitted
> > for
> > > > this
> > > > > > round of funding. [2]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The committee has now posted our Round 1 2015-2016
> recommendations
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > annual plan grants (APG) to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> > > Trustees.
> > > > > [3]
> > > > > > The WMF Board representatives to the FDC (Denny Vrandecic,
> Jan-Bart
> > > de
> > > > > > Vreede and Dariusz Jemielniak) will lead the Board in its review
> of
> > > > these
> > > > > > recommendations. The WMF Board will review the recommendations
> and
> > > then
> > > > > > make their decision on them before 1 January 2016.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This round, the eleven proposals came from ten chapters and one
> > > > thematic
> > > > > > organisation, totaling requests of approximately $3.8 million
> USD.
> > > Ten
> > > > > > affiliates were returning to the APG program, and one was a new
> > > > > applicant.
> > > > > > This round, one organisation requested a restricted grant to
> > support
> > > > one
> > > > > > particular program. All other grant requests were for general
> > > funding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before we met for our face-to-face deliberations, the FDC
> carefully
> > > > > > reviewed all proposals and supporting documentation (e.g.,
> budgets,
> > > > > plans,
> > > > > > strategies) in detail, aided by staff assessments and analysis on
> > > > impact,
> > > > > > finances, and programs, as well as community comments on the
> > > proposals.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > committee had long and intense conversations about the proposals
> > > > > submitted
> > > > > > this round. By listening and carefully considering all available
> > > data,
> > > > > the
> > > > > > committee achieved consensus on all proposal deliberations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In addition to the above, the FDC has also included a
> > recommendation
> > > > > about
> > > > > > the WMF itself to improve its own level of planning transparency
> > and
> > > > > budget
> > > > > > detail. The WMF staff were not involved in the conception or
> > writing
> > > of
> > > > > > this additional recommendation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For your reference, there is a formal process to submit appeals
> > about
> > > > > > these recommendations or complaints about the FDC process. The
> > > > processes
> > > > > > for both are outlined below.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any applicant that wants to appeal the FDC’s recommendation about
> > > their
> > > > > > proposal this round should submit it by 23:59 UTC on 8 December
> > 2015
> > > in
> > > > > > accordance with the appeal process outlined in the FDC
> Framework. A
> > > > > formal
> > > > > > appeal to challenge the FDC’s recommendation should be in the
> form
> > > of a
> > > > > > 500-or-fewer word summary. The appeal should be submitted
> on-wiki,
> > > [4]
> > > > > and
> > > > > > must be submitted by the Board Chair of a funding-seeking
> > applicant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Complaints about the process can be filed by anyone with the
> > > > > Ombudsperson,
> > > > > > and can be made any time. The complaint should be submitted on
> > wiki,
> > > as
> > > > > > well. [5] The ombudsperson will publicly document the complaint,
> > and
> > > > > > investigate as needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please take a look at the upcoming calendar [6] to learn about
> > other
> > > > > > upcoming milestones in the APG program.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, we offer our sincere thanks to the 11 organisations who
> > > > submitted
> > > > > > annual plan grant proposals to the FDC this round.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On behalf of the FDC,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matanya Moses (FDC chair), User:Matanya
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG
> > > > > > [2]
> > > > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1
> > > > > > [3]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2015-2016_round1
> > > > > > [4]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Appeals_to_the_Board_on_the_recommendations_of_the_FDC
> > > > > > [5]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Complaints_about_the_FDC_process
> > > > > > [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Calendar
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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