http://www.amnesty.nl/sites/default/files/public/ainl_guidelines_use_of_force.pdf

On 29 December 2015 at 13:30, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:

> citation needed
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > This is when sources truly become vital. But do
> > > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect as
> > > those from Kazakhstan.
> >
> >
> > ​And that is why regardless of the fact a citation  is so important, ​
> >
> > ​because the person receiving the information must able to make their own
> > assessment​ of the sources reliability with a CC0 license and a
> significant
> > selection of the information unsourced WikiDatas data lacks the quality,
> > integrity we all expect of ourselves when we add content to any of the
> > projects.
> >
> > On 29 December 2015 at 20:15, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > So you have determined that people can be manipulated. Good, then what?
> > >
> > > If this is the tack that you take you will be grounded because there is
> > no
> > > plan. It is a negative attitude that only stifles. Quality is not only
> in
> > > sources, sources can be and are manipulations in their own right. Many
> > > important subjects are woefully underrepresented. The argument has it
> > that
> > > it is because of a lack of sources..
> > >
> > > Sources are relevant but we only are interested in particular subjects.
> > We
> > > do not need to look at Kazakhstan to find fault. Amnest (reliable
> source)
> > > indicates that all USA police forces are not in compliance with
> > > international agreements on the use of force. NOW WHAT ??
> > >
> > > When quality is the subject, it is important to decide how we
> effectively
> > > improve quality. VIAF provided Wikidata with a list of issues they
> found.
> > > Tom checked it out and our quality is better as a result. It means that
> > > more information is linked for people who visit a library. When awards
> > are
> > > known, adding known recipients in Wikidata based on info from multiple
> > > Wikipedias improves the quality and in this way many incorrect links
> are
> > > exposed.
> > >
> > > When quality of our projects is the subject, decide how we can do a
> > better
> > > job. When Facebook invites companies to manipulate people, it is why
> > > Facebook information is suspect. At most it is a reminder that
> > manipulation
> > > is an important issue. It does not mean that people cannot add data on
> > > their hobby horse.
> > >
> > > Quality is important but quality is more than sources. When sources are
> > > used as an argument that is detrimental to the quality of Wikidata,
> then
> > in
> > > my opinion we have forgotten why Wikipedia was possible in the first
> > place.
> > > It was not because of sources, it was because of the web of information
> > we
> > > created, a web that is of a NPOV.
> > >
> > > Wikidata does not have a NPOV. It represents facts found in many
> places.
> > As
> > > the information becomes more extended, it becomes possible to find
> > > manipulations, errors. This is when sources truly become vital. But do
> > > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect as
> > > those from Kazakhstan.
> > > Thanks,
> > >      GerardM
> > >
> > > On 29 December 2015 at 11:44, Lilburne <lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 28/12/2015 18:00, Jane Darnell wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it
> > > when
> > > >> someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we
> > > shouldn't
> > > >> try to anticipate that with convoluted strategies. "Assume Good
> Faith"
> > > >> will
> > > >> always win out over any strange misguided takeover strategy, which
> is
> > > why
> > > >> governments that intend to do such things choose nowadays to just
> > block
> > > >> wikimedia altogether. It is not our wake-up call to take, but that
> of
> > > the
> > > >> Kazakh people.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > Facebook showed the other year that it could manipulate people by
> what
> > it
> > > > showed them in their feeds.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10932534/Facebook-conducted-secret-psychology-experiment-on-users-emotions.html
> > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930
> > > >
> > > > They didn't do this for fun, they did it to show their clients
> > > > (advertisers, governments) that they could manipulate millions of
> > people.
> > > > You only need a small push in one direction or another to influence a
> > > large
> > > > population. Doesn't matter if the push is to buy a particular soap,
> > vote
> > > > one way or another, or how you see a particular minority, or issue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.networkworld.com/article/2450825/big-data-business-intelligence/facebooks-icky-psychology-experiment-is-actually-business-as-usual.html
> > > >
> > > > Do it to a naively trusted source and you have a triple word score
> > > > jackpot^H^H^Hboot.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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