James is indeed one of the greatest assets of Wikimedia movement. This
movement needs a huge cause to lose someone like him from board, I hope
community including me, as a person who voted for him, know the reason ASAP.

Best

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:03 PM Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hoi,
> <grin> it is a great shitstorm</grin> Do remember that a community chosen
> representative voted the other community chosen representative out. It is
> not a case of he must be good, the others are bad. It is more complicated.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
> On 29 December 2015 at 13:19, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > there are bigger questions than why like;
> >
> >    - how can this take place
> >    - how can the community ensure its representatives independence in the
> >    future,
> >    - what effect will this have on other elected representatives on the
> >    board
> >
> >  The Florida statute(
> > https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/617.0808 ) referred
> > to earlier says that If a director is elected by a class, chapter, or
> other
> > organizational unit, or by region or other geographic grouping, the
> > director may be removed only by the members of that class, chapter, unit,
> > or grouping.  Do they even have ability to remove the person in the first
> > place given the action of the board why are they also determining the
> next
> > steps in the replacing our representative.
> >
> > Gn.
> >
> > On 29 December 2015 at 19:53, Thomas Goldammer <tho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 2015-12-29 10:15 GMT+01:00 Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > >
> > > > It says a lot, but just what that is depends entirely on the context.
> > And
> > > > for community members who voted for him, that context could mean we
> > > should
> > > > also no longer have confidence in him elsewhere in the projects, or
> in
> > > the
> > > > board, or have no bearing on either thing whatsoever. Not knowing
> just
> > > > means there's no indication what to trust.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd rather lose the trust and confidence in those 8 Board members than
> in
> > > him without knowing what was the cause for his disbarment. ;)
> > >
> > > Maybe the Board by-laws have to be changed, too. Throwing out a
> > > community-elected member like this, without providing a reason, is no
> way
> > > to deal with the community who elected this member. It should be
> > mandatory
> > > that the Board provides reasons together with the announcement to avoid
> > > exactly this kind of discussions and speculations, not a day (or more)
> > > later.
> > >
> > > And as for no-cause disbarments for community-elected members in a
> > > community-driven environment - uhm... I don't need to delve into that,
> > > everyone can see the problem. The Board should just not be allowed to
> > > disbar community-elected members without a cause, as that undermines
> the
> > > authority of the community over those seats on the Board.
> > >
> > > Th.
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