As a "non-technical" Wikimedian, I too would welcome a discussion,
starting with the basics, of what the project formerly known as the
"Knowledge Engine" is, or might become, and the pros and cons of the
WMF focusing major resources on it.

(Perhaps best to put have that discussion in a new thread, though?)

Regards,
Newyorkbrad/IBM

On 1/11/16, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok - I would be really surprised if WMF have discussed Google in their
> executive sessions either - given the difficulties around staff and
> strategy they probably haven't had five minutes to mention Google, even if
> they wanted to. So the most economical hypothesis is that the reason Denny
> hasn't recused himself is because the subject hasn't come up.
>
> I would agree that board members should step aside from discussions about
> anything that will have a commercial impact on their employers, though I
> don't quite understand how Wikidata affects Google's bottom line and so
> can't work out how this might be a conflict - can anyone explain this? Or
> indeed what the "Knowledge Engine" actually is?
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
> On 11 Jan 2016 03:17, "Anthony Cole" <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris, there have been no resolutions since Denny assumed his seat that
>> impact Denny's employer, as best as I can tell, unless there is an
>> existing
>> direct relationship between Google and one or both of the new trustees,
>> and
>> no one's provided evidence of that. I hope Denny will recuse from any
>> decision-making that might impact his employer, not just those decisions
>> that directly address his employer.
>>
>> I would be concerned if he were involved in *discussions* on topics that
>> impact Google, not just topics where Google is named. By this I mean, but
>> not only, anything touching on the Knowledge Engine and WikiData, and I'm
>> not just referring to discussions related to a resolution. The executive
>> session of each board meeting is secret.
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2016, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > > I am concerned that Denny may not have been recusing from discussions
>> and
>> > > decisions affecting Google. This strikes me as exceptional, and that
>> the
>> > > board doesn't find it so troubles me, and hints that you may all have
>> > > something to gain from independent advice.
>> >
>> >
>> > Out of interest, do you know of a single decision made by the WMF board
>> > regarding Google while Denny has been on the Board?
>> >
>> > All their resolutions are public, and the members voting in favour and
>> > against and absent or recused from each decision are listed. So if the
>> WMF
>> > has been discussing WMF's relationship with Google and Denny hasn't
>> recused
>> > himself this should be apparent.
>> >
>> > I have not checked the list of resolutions myself but I suspect that the
>> > WMF board rarely, if ever, considers anything to do with any major tech
>> > companies.
>> >
>> > Chris
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