Actually, you are complaining.

I am against relentless negativity of the kind you see from many
self-styled and self-important Wikipedia critics.  I'd hardly put Pine in
that group.  The idea that Pine's measured and reasonable post could be
described as "baying for blood" is ridiculous.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hoi,
> I am not complaining. I point out that all this huha does not get us
> anywhere. I am not afraid to give an opinion and I am not afraid to be a
> contrarian when I think it makes sense. Yes, things happened that were not
> beautiful. They are not what upset me. What upsets me is that people like
> Siko and Anna are leaving. Because they are part of "my" Wikimedia
> Foundation. What upsets me is that I routinely use Magnus's tool and
> process hundreds of thousands of records and am to understand that official
> query is stunted and does not allow for this "because it was not in the
> design" and it is then pointed out that it takes money to solve this...
>
> My point is that baying for blood is not what helps us forward. What I do
> know is that when sheer negativity is not coupled with an ability to stop
> and move forward, we will get in a downward spiral. I fault Pine for not
> being able to stop. What I wish for is for people like Anna and Siko and
> money for our environment and not for an endowment.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
> On 12 February 2016 at 09:35, Michel Vuijlsteke <wikipe...@zog.org> wrote:
>
> > Gerard,
> >
> > I was waiting for this mail. For me personally, your complaining is
> > achieving exactly the opposite of what you think.
> >
> > It sounds as if you'd much rather prefer to stick your head in the sand
> and
> > hope things will blow over. "Move along, nothing to see here -- oh look!
> > something positive over there!" is not going to solve anything.
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On 12 February 2016 at 09:24, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > Pine as you are talking about "self inflicting wounds" I take it you
> are
> > > not talking in your personal capacity. When is it enough for you? When
> > are
> > > you going to talk about positive things, things that will move us
> > forward.
> > > Why ask for blood and more blood? What is it that you hope to achieve?
> > >
> > > Who do you represent in this unending litany of negativity and what
> have
> > > you achieved in this way? When Lila was engaged in her role, she was to
> > > direct in a different direction and she is doing that. You may not like
> > it
> > > and that is ok.
> > > Thanks,
> > >        GerardM
> > >
> > > On 12 February 2016 at 08:43, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dariusz, thanks for continuing to engage here. Besides the good
> > questions
> > > > that others have asked, I'll add a few:
> > > >
> > > > 1. If the Knowledge Engine is such an important project, why is it
> not
> > > > mentioned in
> > > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2015-16
> > > ?
> > > >
> > > > 2. I realize that as a percentage of the WMF budget, $250k is a
> > > relatively
> > > > small number. As others have said, this is not a reason for opacity
> > about
> > > > it, nor a reason for not having a conversation with the community
> about
> > > > something so strategically important as a decision to explore the
> > > question
> > > > of "Would users go to Wikipedia if it were an open channel beyond an
> > > > encyclopedia?" It's one thing to have a blue-sky exercise thinking
> > about
> > > > possibilities, and another thing to take a $250k step in that
> > direction,
> > > > especially without consulting the community.
> > > >
> > > > 3. I am getting tired about seeing bad news in general about WMF
> > > > governance, planning, and turnover. I am curious how you plan to
> > address
> > > > those issues. Like you, I would rather that we be talking about our
> > > > movement plans for the next 10 years. However, it's difficult to have
> > > those
> > > > conversations when WMF is making so many self-inflicted wounds. The
> > > recent
> > > > round of resignations is of respectable people from the WMF staff is
> > > making
> > > > the situation that much more concerning and that much more difficult
> to
> > > > recover from. It seems to me that WMF leadership has lost control of
> > this
> > > > situation, and I'd like to hear what the recovery plan is.
> Personally,
> > I
> > > > feel that we need leadership that can build good relationships with
> the
> > > > staff and community, is transparent by default, and is capable of
> > > restoring
> > > > the credibility of the organization's planning, execution, and
> > goodwill.
> > > I
> > > > think that we may need new leadership to make that happen. I am
> > > interested
> > > > to hear your thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Pine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <
> dar...@alk.edu.pl
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 11.02.2016 10:23 PM "SarahSV" <sarahsv.w...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > ​Hi ​
> > > > > > Dariusz,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ​T​
> > > > > > he grant application doesn't restrict the search engine to
> > Wikimedia
> > > > > projects. It says that the "Knowledge Engine by Wikipedia [is a]
> > system
> > > > for
> > > > > discovering reliable and trustworthy public information on the
> > > Internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > My understanding is that the top range could potentially be all
> > > > open/public
> > > > > resources, but this is the far stretched total goal, and still not
> a
> > > > > general search engine of all content including commercial one.
> > > > >
> > > > > And a rrasonable realistic outcome can be just improving our
> searches
> > > > > across projects.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't comment on the initial ideas or goals, as I was not on the
> > > Board
> > > > > before August 2015, but this is what I understand we build now.
> > > > >
> > > > > .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The document says the "Search Engine by Wikipedia" budget for
> > > 2015–2016
> > > > > ($2.4 million) was approved by the ​board. Can you point us to
> which
> > > > board
> > > > > meeting approved it and what was discussed there?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I dont recall this specifically, and I'm going to elude this
> question
> > > by
> > > > > going to sleep (and hoping someone better informed may pick).
> > > > >
> > > > > Good night!
> > > > >
> > > > > Dj
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