+1 to Aubrey's words

2016-02-15 7:59 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni <zanni.andre...@gmail.com>:

> As much as I love Jake and Alex's work,
> and I think they are doing a terrific job, we still have to acknowledge
> that
> "playing by the rules" here is not going to change anything.
> Every time the academia says "we have to think about Science!", so they
> play along, keeping the system alive and well.
>
> Without withdrawing from the current partnership, we could say publicly
> that we hope they will stop suing Sci-Hub. We could write a blogpost, with
> a link to Sci-hub (*blink blink*) acknowledging that is illegal but also
> that serves the purpose of fighting the good fight.
>
> As I said in previous discussion, what WMF really lacks is a precise
> policy/project *in favor* of Open Access: we are not doing anything at
> higher level, and very promising projects are frozen or waiting for
> volunteer good will. I personally think that we are making a big mistake
> thinking that the OA movement can do well without us. It's not.
>
> Aubrey
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:16 AM, David Goodman <dgge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We have the purpose of providing free access to information, information
> > from any publicly  accessible source, paid or free. Before we had the
> > Wikipedia Library, sources of information from many extremely expensive
> > paid sources were not readily available to our editors except for those
> > having a connection to a major university library.  Now that we do have
> it,
> > at least some of this is accessible to at least some active editors, who
> > can incorporate the information from them into our articles, and thus
> make
> > it freely accessible to the world. That's enough justification.
> >
> > If all we did was re-package information that was already freely
> available,
> > our role would be very  limited. The existence of restrictions on  access
> > to limitation is of course very unfortunate. Making a change in this
> system
> > is on of the additional purposes of Wikipedia. We do this in multiple
> ways.
> > Among them is providing an example of open publishing; among them is
> > advocacy for the lessening of copyright and other restrictions, and also
> >  writing free material based on unfree. The principle of what we do is,
> > what will be best for the encyclopedia.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 12:25 AM, Keegan Peterzell <
> keegan.w...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Shani,
> > >
> > > This blog post by Jake and the Library team might suffice. It's from
> last
> > > year and directly addresses this issue:
> > >
> > > http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/09/16/open-access-in-a-closed-world/
> > >
> > > ~ Keegan
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
> > > On Feb 14, 2016 10:09 PM, "Shani" <shani.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Would love to hear what the Wikipedia Library Project team has to say
> > on
> > > > the issue.
> > > >
> > > > Pinging Jake Orlowitz & Alex Stinson.
> > > >
> > > > Shani.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:46 AM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As the panel moderator, I felt there was a rather strong consensus
> > > (from
> > > > > the various communication channels -- wiki pages, blog & Facebook
> > posts
> > > > and
> > > > > discussions, and the panel) that went a bit beyond what Robert said
> > > > (which
> > > > > is certainly an important piece.
> > > > >
> > > > > A number of people also felt that, while the Elsevier deal may have
> > > been
> > > > a
> > > > > good one, there may also have been better ways to communicate it --
> > and
> > > > > specifically, ways to place restrictions on the kind of language
> > > > (entities
> > > > > like) Elsevier could use around the Wikimedia trademarks. I believe
> > > this
> > > > > was all absorbed by Wikipedia Library staff, and I have no doubt
> that
> > > > > future announcements will be better suited to Wikimedia values.
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with Lodewijk that strong consensus would be needed to
> > overturn
> > > > an
> > > > > existing contract. Please note also that at least six Wikimedia
> > > > volunteers
> > > > > would be impacted if Wikimedia were to renege on its contract:
> those
> > > who
> > > > > have gained access to Elsevier Science Direct through the program,
> > and
> > > > are
> > > > > presumably doing good Wikipedia work as a result. Have you checked
> in
> > > > with
> > > > > them, or looked at their work, Milos?
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Elsevier_ScienceDirect
> > > > >
> > > > > -Pete
> > > > > [[User:Peteforsyth]]
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Robert Fernandez <
> > > > wikigamal...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "No, WMF shouldn't morally support Elsevier by having any
> relation
> > > with
> > > > > > them."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This was debated extensively last September.   The opinion of
> many,
> > > > > > including myself, was that the WMF's primary commitment should be
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > encyclopedia and providing editors and readers the resources to
> > > improve
> > > > > the
> > > > > > encyclopedia, not making a moral stand against Elsevier by
> > > withdrawing
> > > > > > those resources.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> > > > > > > <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Anyone can use Sci-Hub. Officially you cannot, legally you
> > should
> > > > > not.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > WMF makes it possible for those who want to use Elsevier.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No problem; anyone can use Sci-Hub. Move on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Gerard,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You are again ignoring the point intentionally.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, WMF shouldn't morally support Elsevier by having any
> relation
> > > > with
> > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > Milos
> > > > > > >
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