Teemu, These "partnerships" (which I think is an unfortunate word for them) are about giving volunteers access to closed sources.
Apart from brand affiliation, what do you see as a potential benefit from partnering with PLoS? Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] On Feb 15, 2016 7:58 AM, "Leinonen Teemu" <teemu.leino...@aalto.fi> wrote: > Hi Alex and all, > > I hope you / we already have a partnership with the PLOS? > > https://www.plos.org > > - Teemu > > > On 15.2.2016, at 17.27, Alex Stinson <astin...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > As always, we are happy to see the conversations about the publishing and > > research industry within the Wikimedia community. We very much believe > that > > our readers, and other researchers, should, whenever possible, have open, > > or at least toll-free, access to materials when possible. We share the > > open-access communities values, and I highly recommend exploring the two > > links shared by Keegan [1] and Pete[2], to better understand our > position. > > > > As a matter of transparency: we have provided access to nearly 80 > accounts > > so far via our Elsevier partnership; we have also distributed access to > > over 500 accounts via JSTOR. > > > > These partnerships have been ones which we continue to value and > cultivate, > > because they are high-demand resources from large percentages of our > > volunteer community-- not because of a moral judgement about their > business > > practices. If there were an overwhelming consensus among our patrons > > (editors who have access to those resources), to return their access in > > boycott (or to not use it), I can understand and would support that > > volunteer effort: after all our community is values-based. However, as > long > > as we continue to get access requests: building the encyclopedia and our > > other free knowledge projects is our first priority, because it unlocks > at > > least some of the locked content in these databases as summaries in our > > projects. > > > > However, we also recognize that these partnerships give us more than just > > access, its also gives us opportunities to influence the publishing > > industry from the inside. For example, both JSTOR and Elsevier are going > to > > be part of research into how our https change last June created dark > > traffic for research databases, and this work will be giving us access to > > referral data that is quite hard to get from anyone in the publishing > > industry [3]. With this data from industry leaders, we will better be > able > > to influence open access, and make arguments for our editors and library > > allies to use Wikimedia projects to promote open materials. > > > > As for supporting Sci-Hub: that is an interesting concept from TWL's > > perspective of providing access to research for our community. We would > be > > happy to support community consensus on how to use the tool in our > research > > processes. Thus far, we have tried to cooperate with established > > institutions that work within the existing system to help create > long-term > > stable versions of academic resources, like partnering closely with > > libraries, advocacy and industry groups like CrossRef and SPARC, and > > supporting development of tools to create Wikimedia use metrics for the > > open-access community (more on this hopefully coming in the next few > > months). Sci-hub is a great short term tool for creating pressure for > > change in this industry, but the publishing community also needs to > figure > > out the best long term solutions for creating and persistently accessing > > academic work.[4] > > > > As for legal support, that is not within the mission of The Wikipedia > > Library, and in my personal opinion, this probably should be pursued > > through direct engagement with aligned organizations whose mission is to > > promote these efforts: like OKF and SPARC. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alex Stinson > > Project Manager > > The Wikipedia Library > > > > > > [1] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/09/16/open-access-in-a-closed-world/ > > [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-cF7433aT4 > > [3]https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_referrer_policy > > [4] Open access does not solve all the problems of academic publishing. > For > > example, academic monographs in the humanities and social sciences, for > > instance, do cost university presses over 20,000 USD to publish and > > maintain persistently available, this amount of money is not readily > > available in non-scientific fields. Open access communities still haven't > > fully figured out how to solve this problem, when they are crucial to the > > output of those academics: > > > http://www.arl.org/storage/documents/forum15-walters-emerging-models-humanities-publishing.pdf > > . Moreover, in my last job, I worked with a William Blake scholar who > > worked on a free to use Digital humanities project, but who thought Open > > access journals undermined his copyright and the prestige of his > > publications in tenure applications. We are still a long way off from > > making Open Access, as a long-term solution for academic publishing. > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Shani <shani.e...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Would love to hear what the Wikipedia Library Project team has to say on > >> the issue. > >> > >> Pinging Jake Orlowitz & Alex Stinson. > >> > >> Shani. > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:46 AM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> As the panel moderator, I felt there was a rather strong consensus > (from > >>> the various communication channels -- wiki pages, blog & Facebook posts > >>> and > >>> discussions, and the panel) that went a bit beyond what Robert said > (which > >>> is certainly an important piece. > >>> > >>> A number of people also felt that, while the Elsevier deal may have > been a > >>> good one, there may also have been better ways to communicate it -- and > >>> specifically, ways to place restrictions on the kind of language > (entities > >>> like) Elsevier could use around the Wikimedia trademarks. I believe > this > >>> was all absorbed by Wikipedia Library staff, and I have no doubt that > >>> future announcements will be better suited to Wikimedia values. > >>> > >>> I agree with Lodewijk that strong consensus would be needed to > overturn an > >>> existing contract. Please note also that at least six Wikimedia > volunteers > >>> would be impacted if Wikimedia were to renege on its contract: those > who > >>> have gained access to Elsevier Science Direct through the program, and > are > >>> presumably doing good Wikipedia work as a result. Have you checked in > with > >>> them, or looked at their work, Milos? > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Elsevier_ScienceDirect > >>> > >>> -Pete > >>> [[User:Peteforsyth]] > >>> > >>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Robert Fernandez < > wikigamal...@gmail.com > >>>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> "No, WMF shouldn't morally support Elsevier by having any relation > with > >>>> them." > >>>> > >>>> This was debated extensively last September. The opinion of many, > >>>> including myself, was that the WMF's primary commitment should be to > the > >>>> encyclopedia and providing editors and readers the resources to > improve > >>> the > >>>> encyclopedia, not making a moral stand against Elsevier by withdrawing > >>>> those resources. > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Gerard Meijssen > >>>>> <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Anyone can use Sci-Hub. Officially you cannot, legally you should > >>> not. > >>>>> The > >>>>>> WMF makes it possible for those who want to use Elsevier. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> No problem; anyone can use Sci-Hub. Move on. > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Gerard, > >>>>> > >>>>> You are again ignoring the point intentionally. > >>>>> > >>>>> No, WMF shouldn't morally support Elsevier by having any relation > with > >>>>> them. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> Milos > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >>> , > >>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >>> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > -------------------------------------------------- > Teemu Leinonen > http://teemuleinonen.fi > +358 50 351 6796 > Media Lab > http://mlab.uiah.fi > Aalto University > School of Arts, Design and Architecture > -------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
