Teemu,
These "partnerships" (which I think is an unfortunate word for them) are
about giving volunteers access to closed sources.

Apart from brand affiliation, what do you see as a potential benefit from
partnering with PLoS?
Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Feb 15, 2016 7:58 AM, "Leinonen Teemu" <teemu.leino...@aalto.fi> wrote:

> Hi Alex and all,
>
> I hope you / we already have a partnership with the PLOS?
>
> https://www.plos.org
>
>         - Teemu
>
> > On 15.2.2016, at 17.27, Alex Stinson <astin...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As always, we are happy to see the conversations about the publishing and
> > research industry within the Wikimedia community. We very much believe
> that
> > our readers, and other researchers, should, whenever possible, have open,
> > or at least toll-free, access to materials when possible.  We share the
> > open-access communities values, and I highly recommend exploring the two
> > links shared by Keegan [1] and Pete[2], to better understand our
> position.
> >
> > As a matter of transparency: we have provided access to nearly 80
> accounts
> > so far via our Elsevier partnership; we have also distributed access to
> > over 500 accounts via JSTOR.
> >
> > These partnerships have been ones which we continue to value and
> cultivate,
> > because they are high-demand resources from large percentages of our
> > volunteer community-- not because of a moral judgement about their
> business
> > practices. If there were an overwhelming consensus among our patrons
> > (editors who have access to those resources), to return their access in
> > boycott (or to not use it), I can understand and would support that
> > volunteer effort: after all our community is values-based. However, as
> long
> > as we continue to get access requests: building the encyclopedia and our
> > other free knowledge projects is our first priority, because it unlocks
> at
> > least some of the locked content in these databases as summaries in our
> > projects.
> >
> > However, we also recognize that these partnerships give us more than just
> > access, its also gives us opportunities to influence the publishing
> > industry from the inside. For example, both JSTOR and Elsevier are going
> to
> > be part of research into how our https change last June created dark
> > traffic for research databases, and this work will be giving us access to
> > referral data that is quite hard to get from anyone in the publishing
> > industry [3]. With this data from industry leaders, we will better be
> able
> > to influence open access, and make arguments for our editors and library
> > allies to use Wikimedia projects to promote open materials.
> >
> > As for supporting Sci-Hub: that is an interesting concept from TWL's
> > perspective of providing access to research for our community. We would
> be
> > happy to support community consensus on how to use the tool in our
> research
> > processes. Thus far, we have tried to cooperate with established
> > institutions that work within the existing system to help create
> long-term
> > stable versions of academic resources, like partnering closely with
> > libraries, advocacy and industry groups like CrossRef and SPARC, and
> > supporting development of tools to create Wikimedia use metrics for the
> > open-access community (more on this hopefully coming in the next few
> > months). Sci-hub is a great short term tool for creating pressure for
> > change in this industry, but the publishing community also needs to
> figure
> > out the best long term solutions for creating and persistently accessing
> > academic work.[4]
> >
> > As for legal support, that is not within the mission of The Wikipedia
> > Library, and in my personal opinion, this probably should be pursued
> > through direct engagement with aligned organizations whose mission is to
> > promote these efforts: like OKF and SPARC.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Alex Stinson
> > Project Manager
> > The Wikipedia Library
> >
> >
> > [1] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/09/16/open-access-in-a-closed-world/
> > [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-cF7433aT4
> > [3]https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_referrer_policy
> > [4] Open access does not solve all the problems of academic publishing.
> For
> > example, academic monographs in the humanities and social sciences, for
> > instance, do cost university presses over 20,000 USD to publish and
> > maintain persistently available, this amount of money is not readily
> > available in non-scientific fields. Open access communities still haven't
> > fully figured out how to solve this problem, when they are crucial to the
> > output of those academics:
> >
> http://www.arl.org/storage/documents/forum15-walters-emerging-models-humanities-publishing.pdf
> > . Moreover, in my last job, I worked with a William Blake scholar who
> > worked on a free to use Digital humanities project, but who thought Open
> > access journals undermined his copyright and the prestige of his
> > publications in tenure applications. We are still a long way off from
> > making Open Access, as a long-term solution for academic publishing.
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Shani <shani.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Would love to hear what the Wikipedia Library Project team has to say on
> >> the issue.
> >>
> >> Pinging Jake Orlowitz & Alex Stinson.
> >>
> >> Shani.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:46 AM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> As the panel moderator, I felt there was a rather strong consensus
> (from
> >>> the various communication channels -- wiki pages, blog & Facebook posts
> >>> and
> >>> discussions, and the panel) that went a bit beyond what Robert said
> (which
> >>> is certainly an important piece.
> >>>
> >>> A number of people also felt that, while the Elsevier deal may have
> been a
> >>> good one, there may also have been better ways to communicate it -- and
> >>> specifically, ways to place restrictions on the kind of language
> (entities
> >>> like) Elsevier could use around the Wikimedia trademarks. I believe
> this
> >>> was all absorbed by Wikipedia Library staff, and I have no doubt that
> >>> future announcements will be better suited to Wikimedia values.
> >>>
> >>> I agree with Lodewijk that strong consensus would be needed to
> overturn an
> >>> existing contract. Please note also that at least six Wikimedia
> volunteers
> >>> would be impacted if Wikimedia were to renege on its contract: those
> who
> >>> have gained access to Elsevier Science Direct through the program, and
> are
> >>> presumably doing good Wikipedia work as a result. Have you checked in
> with
> >>> them, or looked at their work, Milos?
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Elsevier_ScienceDirect
> >>>
> >>> -Pete
> >>> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Robert Fernandez <
> wikigamal...@gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "No, WMF shouldn't morally support Elsevier by having any relation
> with
> >>>> them."
> >>>>
> >>>> This was debated extensively last September.   The opinion of many,
> >>>> including myself, was that the WMF's primary commitment should be to
> the
> >>>> encyclopedia and providing editors and readers the resources to
> improve
> >>> the
> >>>> encyclopedia, not making a moral stand against Elsevier by withdrawing
> >>>> those resources.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> >>>>> <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Anyone can use Sci-Hub. Officially you cannot, legally you should
> >>> not.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>>> WMF makes it possible for those who want to use Elsevier.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No problem; anyone can use Sci-Hub. Move on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Gerard,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You are again ignoring the point intentionally.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, WMF shouldn't morally support Elsevier by having any relation
> with
> >>>>> them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>> Milos
> >>>>>
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