In fact the rabbit whole goes far far deeper down the rabbit hole :P


On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Joseph Seddon <>

> SarahSV, the rabbit whole goes far far beyond "mistaken ideas about the
> Knowledge Engine".
> Seddon
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 12:36 AM, SarahSV <> wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 5:16 PM, James Alexander <>
>> wrote:
>> It is probably best for me not to get into a long count/counterpoint here
>> but I couldn't avoid not responding at all.
>> James, several staffers have talked about feeling unappreciated and
>> demoralized.​
>> ​But that's how quite a few WMF staff made us feel before Lila arrived.
>> WMF-community relations couldn't have been worse. It certainly looks from
>> the outside as though Lila fixed a lot of that.
>> The question now is how we move forward, with no more casualties.
>> The best thing is surely for WMF staff to help Lila weather this storm,
>> which seems to have blown up around mistaken ideas about the Knowledge
>> Engine proposal.
>> In the longer term we need to brainstorm about how to manage
>> Foundation-community relations. Lila wanted to speak to the community
>> earlier about the Knowledge Engine grant, but was afraid to. Why was that?
>> A lot of the community's suspicion of change stems from us feeling we
>> could
>> be separated from our work at any minute. That conservatism causes a lot
>> of
>> frustration within the WMF. How can it be fixed?
>> Does the Board give enough support to the ED and leadership to the rest of
>> us? Can something be put in place within the WMF to help staffers so that
>> things like this don't blow up in public? We also ought to discuss asking
>> the WMF to become a membership organization with different bylaws so that
>> we really do elect the Board.
>> These are the discussions that will move us forward, because the real
>> problem here is not about individuals. It is about structure.
>> Sarah​
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