Reading an following this thread makes me feel profoundly sad. And the symptoms indicates for me that there is indeed something "rotten" going on.

I feel deep sympathy for staff whose pain is seems to go very deep, and I would really want to help out to to ease the problems if it was in my capability.

But there is as Risker puts it a deep information asymmetry in this thread.

I am sitting far away from the SF office and have no direct contact with staff and even if I read of the pain, I do not catch any concrete facts what it is all about. The handling of Knowledge engine has not been good, but it can be remedied. The Board is not optimal and perfect, but the members are clever and loyal to our mission and I have no reason to doubt that they will take care of things on their "table", even if somewhat slower pace then people would want.

And even if I feel and sympathize with the frustration of staff I would like to ask the inputs to this thread to be more factual and also show the respect of each others as we are used to in our daily Wikipedia dialogues.

Anders
With sympathy and love to all involved in this crisis







Den 2016-02-21 kl. 04:58, skrev Oliver Keyes:
Just staff and former staff? Huh. You must be reading
wikimedia-that-doesn't-include-liam-fae-former-board-members-or-almost-anyone-else-l.
What's it like there?

To Risker's point; "don't beat up on people who have less information
than you" is a good principle. But so is "don't call people
incompetent when the alternative is that you're missing something".
Speaking as both a volunteer and staff, Anthony, I have found your
attitude in this conversation and others on the subject to be deeply
unproductive. It would be good if you spent more time asking questions
and less time dismissing people's concerns.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah, Brandon. Thanks for writing me off as "the folks at Wikipediocracy."
I'm also the folks at en.Wikipedia and the folks on the board of
WikiProject Med Foundation. And I give a shit about Wikipedia.

This push for the removal of the ED is coming from staff. And failed staff.
If you want support from the wider editor community, you'll need to bring
us with you. I'm making it clear to you that presently you haven't done
that yet. Maybe you don't need to.



On Sunday, 21 February 2016, Brandon Harris <bhar...@gaijin.com> wrote:

         Danny, don't kid yourself!  The folks at Wikipediocracy know
everything about everything that's happened at the Foundation and about
everything that will EVER happen.  They've never been wrong, ever!

         I don't understand why we're still talking about this!


On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Danny Horn <dh...@wikimedia.org
<javascript:;>> wrote:
You know, it's possible that the people who work for the Foundation might
understand the situation in a more nuanced way than you do. I know it
doesn't seem likely, but dare to dream.
---
Brandon Harris :: bhar...@gaijin.com <javascript:;> :: made of steel wool
and whiskey




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