Despite everything, Anders, it is inappropriate for staff to publicly
prosecute Lila.  The board is aware of the many issues, quite a few not yet
public on any forum.  And it is for the board to solve.

   A.
On Feb 20, 2016 8:20 PM, "Anders Wennersten" <m...@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:

> Reading an following this thread makes me feel profoundly sad. And the
> symptoms indicates for me that there is indeed  something "rotten" going on.
>
> I feel deep sympathy for staff whose pain is seems to go very deep, and I
> would really want to help out to to ease the problems if it was in my
> capability.
>
> But there is as Risker puts it a deep information asymmetry in this thread.
>
> I am sitting far away from the SF office and have no direct contact with
> staff and even if I read of the pain, I do not catch any concrete facts
> what it is all about. The handling of Knowledge engine has not been good,
> but it can be remedied. The Board is not optimal and perfect, but the
> members are clever and loyal to our mission and I have no reason to doubt
> that they will take care of things on their "table", even if somewhat
> slower pace then people would want.
>
> And even if I feel and sympathize with the frustration of staff I would
> like to ask the inputs to this thread to be more factual and also show the
> respect of each others as we are used to in our daily Wikipedia dialogues.
>
> Anders
> With sympathy and love to all involved in this crisis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Den 2016-02-21 kl. 04:58, skrev Oliver Keyes:
>
>> Just staff and former staff? Huh. You must be reading
>>
>> wikimedia-that-doesn't-include-liam-fae-former-board-members-or-almost-anyone-else-l.
>> What's it like there?
>>
>> To Risker's point; "don't beat up on people who have less information
>> than you" is a good principle. But so is "don't call people
>> incompetent when the alternative is that you're missing something".
>> Speaking as both a volunteer and staff, Anthony, I have found your
>> attitude in this conversation and others on the subject to be deeply
>> unproductive. It would be good if you spent more time asking questions
>> and less time dismissing people's concerns.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, Brandon. Thanks for writing me off as "the folks at Wikipediocracy."
>>> I'm also the folks at en.Wikipedia and the folks on the board of
>>> WikiProject Med Foundation. And I give a shit about Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> This push for the removal of the ED is coming from staff. And failed
>>> staff.
>>> If you want support from the wider editor community, you'll need to bring
>>> us with you. I'm making it clear to you that presently you haven't done
>>> that yet. Maybe you don't need to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 21 February 2016, Brandon Harris <bhar...@gaijin.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>          Danny, don't kid yourself!  The folks at Wikipediocracy know
>>>> everything about everything that's happened at the Foundation and about
>>>> everything that will EVER happen.  They've never been wrong, ever!
>>>>
>>>>          I don't understand why we're still talking about this!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Danny Horn <dh...@wikimedia.org
>>>>>
>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You know, it's possible that the people who work for the Foundation
>>>>> might
>>>>> understand the situation in a more nuanced way than you do. I know it
>>>>> doesn't seem likely, but dare to dream.
>>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Brandon Harris :: bhar...@gaijin.com <javascript:;> :: made of steel
>>>> wool
>>>> and whiskey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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