Wrong link. It's here.
http://wikipediocracy.com/2015/02/08/the-dream-that-died-erik-moller-and-the-wmfs-decade-long-struggle-for-the-perfect-discussion-system/

On Wednesday, 24 February 2016, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This time last year, Scott Martin wrote up a history on Wikipediocracy
> that seems to cover most of the milestones.
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082313.html
>
> On Monday, 22 February 2016, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','petefors...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Brandon and Sarah:
>>
>> I'm going to resist the urge to delve into the specifics of Flow here, as
>> I'd really like to stay on the topic of whether post-mortems on divisive
>> issues are valuable, and how they should be approached.
>>
>> Do you agree that an annotated summary of what has gone well and what
>> hasn't, in the case of discussion technology like Liquid Threads and Flow,
>> might help us to have generative conversations on this topic? Or do you
>> disagree? What kinds of approaches do you think might help the
>> organization
>> and the community learn the best lessons from past efforts, avoid
>> repeating
>> mistakes, and find ever more effective ways to engage with each other?
>>
>> -Pete
>> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 7:42 PM, SarahSV <sarahsv.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Is it possible to imagine an effort that would not be shot down, but
>> > > embraced?
>> > >
>> > > What would need to be different?
>> > >
>> > > These are the kinds of questions I wish the Wikimedia Foundation would
>> > get
>> > > better at asking and exploring.
>> > >
>> > > ​Lila is good at asking the right questions of the community, which is
>> > why
>> > (so far as I can tell) editors like her. If you look at her meta talk
>> page,
>> > you can see her asking good questions about Flow and trying to find out
>> > what editors need.
>> >
>> > That was literally the first time we felt we were being listened to.
>> There
>> > was one point when Flow was introduced – and I have been trying to find
>> > this diff but can't – where there was something on the talk page that
>> > amounted to "if you agree with us that x and y, then you're welcome to
>> join
>> > the discussion."
>> >
>> > So from the start, it felt as though staffers had ruled out the
>> community
>> > as people who might know something about what tools are needed to
>> > collaborate on an article (which is not the same as chatting). People
>> who
>> > had been doing something for years were not regarded as experts in that
>> > thing by the Foundation.
>> >
>> > We would say "we need pages," and they would explain why we didn't. We
>> > would say "we need archives," and they would explain why good search
>> was a
>> > better idea. We would say "there's too much white space," and they would
>> > explain that people like white space. And so on.
>> >
>> > Sarah
>> >
>> > ​
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