That's an excellent post. Thank you for the clarity. I, too, support the creation of a body to represent the volunteer community.
Anthony Cole On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Denny Vrandecic <dvrande...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > I disagree very much with Dariusz on this topic (as he knows). I think that > a body that is able to speak for the movement as a whole would be extremely > beneficial in order to relieve the current Board of Trustees of the > Wikimedia Foundation from that role. It simply cannot - and indeed, legally > must not - fulfill this role. > > To make a few things about the Board of Trustees clear - things that will > be true now matter how much you reorganize it: > > - the Board members have duties of care and loyalty to the Foundation - not > to the movement. If there is a decision to be made where there is a > conflict between the Movement or one of the Communities with the > Foundation, the Board members have to decide in favor of the Foundation. > They are not only trained to so, they have actually pledged to do so. > > - the Board members have fiduciary responsibilities. No, we cannot just > talk about what we are doing. As said, the loyalty of a Board member is > towards the organization, not the movement. > > - the Board members that are elected by the communities or through chapters > represent the voice of the communities or the chapters. That's not the > case. All Board members are equal, and have the same duties and rights. Our > loyalty is towards the organization, not towards the constituency that > voted for us. > > These things are not like this because the Wikimedia Foundation has decided > in a diabolic plan for world domination to write the rules in such a way. > These things are so because US laws - either federal or state laws, I am > not a lawyer and so I might be babbling nonsense here anyway, but this is > my understanding - requires a Board of Trustees to have these legal > obligations. This is nothing invented by the WMF in its early days, but > rather the standard framework for US non-profits. > > Now, sure, you may say that this doesn't really matter, the Foundation and > the Movement should always be aligned. And where this is usually the case, > in those few cases where it is not it will lead to a massive burn. > > Once you are on the Board, you do not represent the Communities, the > Chapters, your favourite Wikimedia project, you are not the representative > and defender of Wikispecies or the avatar of Wiktionary - no, you are a > Trustee of the Wikimedia Foundation, and your legal obligations and duties > are defined by the Bylaws and the applicable state and federal laws. > > So, whoever argues that the Board of Trustees is to be the representative > of the communities has still to explain to me how to avoid this conundrum. > Simply increasing the number of community elected seats won't change > anything in a sustaining way. > > This is why I very much sympathize with the introduction of a new body that > indeed represents the communities, and whose loyalty is undivided to the > Movement as a whole. I currently do not see any body that in the Wikimedia > movement that would have the moral authority to discuss e.g. whether > Wikiversity should be set up as a project independent of the Wikimedia > movement, whether Wikisource would deserve much more resources, whether > Stewards have sufficient authority, whether the German Wikimedia chapter > has to submit itself to the FDC proposal, whether a restart of the Croatian > Wikipedia is warranted, etc. I am quite sure that none of these questions > are appropriate for the Board of Trustees, but I would love to hear the > opinion of others on this. > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Denny Vrandecic <dvrande...@wikimedia.org > > > wrote: > > > Thank you for the diverse input. A few points to Razmy's proposal. > > > > I have trouble with suggestions that state "we can ensure diversity by > > creating regional seats". First, why these regions? What does each region > > seat represent? Potential readers? Actual readers? Human population at > > large? Why not number of active editors? Without deciding that we do not > > know whether the regions you suggest make any sense. > > > > Second, why regions at all? How do regions ensure that we have a > diversity > > in age? Sex? Gender? Wealth? Religion? Cultural background? Educational > > background? Diversity has not only the aspect of being from a specific > > region, there is so much more to that. > > > > Also, the increase in number of Trustees makes the Board more expensive > > and more ineffective. I would be rather unhappy with such an increase. It > > is hard enough to get anything done at the current size. I would > appreciate > > any proposal that reduces the number of Trustees, not increases it. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:45 AM, Ramzy Muliawan < > ramzymuliawa...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > >> > > >> > This proposal did not attempt to create a developing world-dominated > >> > Board, nor is a developing world-dominated. > >> > > >> > >> "Nor is a developed world-dominated." > >> > >> Sorry, my bad. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>