Asaf, I hear you. My apologies to Susanna and the list for anything I have said that cast aspersions on Susanna's character.
Nevertheless, I remain concerned. She is part of a state committee under the authority of the Armenian Minister of Education and Science, who along with other senior political figures has repeatedly been a featured speaker at Wikimedia Armenia events during her tenure as the President of Wikimedia Armenia. I do not consider that sort of government proximity healthy or advisable. Andreas  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_Yerevan_2015/Schedule  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_Yerevan_2012/Schedule On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > I would like to add that I have been following Susanna's work in Armenia > since 2011, and have had occasion to evaluate it as a grants officer. > During these five years, Susanna has been an exemplary Wikimedian, building > community around her, empowering other volunteers to do their best work, > and building partnerships with cultural institutions as well as government > in her country. I have had the pleasure of visiting Armenia last year and > seeing up close one of Susanna's impressive projects -- the Wikicamp -- as > well as attending and speaking at a conference at Matenadaran (the national > archive) and meeting many Armenian Wikipedians. > > Nothing I have seen leads me to be concerned about Susanna's commitment to > movement values, *despite* working in a country struggling with > corruption, ongoing military conflict, and relatively weak democratic > discipline. Indeed, I have personally witnessed Susanna *resist* attempts > at co-optation of Wikimedia Armenia's work. > > I encourage Andreas to retract his accusations ("clearly" etc.). > Expressing a concern that there *might* be government interference was > perhaps legitimate, but proceeding to besmirch Susanna and her work without > evidence is unacceptable. > > Asaf > >  let us remember countries in the west struggle with tremendous > corruption too, albeit manifested more financially than ideologically. > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Cristian Consonni <kikkocrist...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > 2016-03-03 0:15 GMT+01:00 Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com>: > > > I don't know Susanna, and in fact until yesterday had never heard of > her. > > > She may well be a delightful and charming person with a genuine > > enthusiasm > > > for open knowledge. There are after all many encyclopedic topics that > > have > > > no political sensitivity or relevance at all. But she is clearly part > of > > a > > > government-sponsored effort to control the Armenian Wikipedia. > > > > [...] > > > > 2016-03-03 0:26 GMT+01:00 Risker <risker...@gmail.com>: > > > Wow, Andreas. That's taking several major leaps of logic. Sometimes a > > > cigar is just a cigar. Any reason why you brought these rather > > > extraordinary assumptions to this mailing list before Susanna had even > > had > > > a chance to respond to your question at her nomination page? > > > > [...] > > > > 2016-03-03 0:33 GMT+01:00 Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com>: > > > Is there any actual connection between Susanna and the high-level > > > government interest or effort around the Armenian Wikipedia? What I'm > > > asking is if there is anything here, other than supposition that > because > > > she is Armenian and the Armenian government is interested in Wikipedia > > that > > > Susanna must be guilty of corruption and repression by association? > > > > Andreas, > > > > You are making very strong and, what's worse, completely > > unsubstantiated accusations towards a person while admitting of not > > knowing her, her history and her contributions to the movement. > > > > The only person that thinks that "she [Susanna] is clearly part of a > > government-sponsored effort to control the Armenian Wikipedia" is you. > > > > As Risker already noted your reasoning contains majors leaps of logic > > and I find that your behavior is frankly appalling. As Nathan said you > > have no evidence to support anything of what you have said besides the > > fact that Susanna is Armenian. > > > > The FDC reviewed in May 2015 the activities of Wikimedia Armenia in > > the APG 2014/2015 round 2  and found all programs to be > > volunteer-led and well-aligned with the values and the mission of the > > Wikimedia movement. The FDC judged Wikimedia Armenia to be "a > > grassroots organization with a strong volunteer base. It is small, > > flexible, and able to engage with a wide range of volunteers through > > its projects.". The evaluation of the FDC of Wikimedia Armenia was > > a praise (and a recommendation for full funding). Not in a single > > moment there was the least shred of doubt that the activities of > > Wikimedia Armenia could go against the values of the movement. Never > > there was even the remote suspicion of Wikimedia Armenia being part of > > the government-led "scheme" to oppress people that you are suggesting. > > In the occasion of the APG proposal (and besides that, at any time) > > there were and there are several avenues to criticize - also > > privately and anonymously, if one so needs or wishes - what the > > chapter does and what the people in the chapter do and there was not a > > single instance of any kind of accusation like the ones that you are > > making from nothing. > > > > Your accusation are an insult to all the volunteers in Wikimedia > > Armenia, and I think you owe them an apology, especially to Susanna. > > > > I want you to know that I find this behavior to be toxic and that in > > my opinion you are harming the people in the movement and its mission. > > > > Cristian > > > >  > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round2/Wikimedia_Armenia/Proposal_form#Praise_and_one_question > >  > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_recommendations/2014-2015_round_2#Wikimedia_Armenia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > Asaf Bartov > Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > sum of all knowledge. 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