Hi Jytdog,

My response was actually more to Oliver than you, but I still would draw a
distinction between "unanimous support" and "majority support".  It might
seem innocuous enough but as Pierre-Selim points out, "majority support" is
actually not a great reflection on an employee, as it presumably means that
some important people want to be rid of them.  Of course, without the
inconsistent messaging from the BoT drawing attention to this point, it
probably would not have become an issue.

I do concur with the general thrust of the rest of your message; that poor
recordkeeping and confusion in the way that the trustees have reacted to
this situation (and the Geshuri situation, and the Heilman situation, and
the search engine situation generally) has made things a lot worse than
they needed to be.

Cheers,
Craig



On 8 March 2016 at 04:16, jytdog <jyt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Craig, thanks for your reply on this. This is actually not about HR
> matters.  It is about what board members chose to do and say.
>
> It would have made little difference in the RW if they had said "the board
> supports Lila" (and if there was a majority vote for that, the board did
> support Lila) vs "the board unanimously supports Lila".  They chose to
> state the latter.  That has nothing to do with Lila per se, and everything
> to do with the choices individuals made in representing what the board
> actually did.
>
> This is what I meant.  Poor processes poorly executed definitely allowed
> this to happen;  if board votes were accurately recorded in minutes and
> swiftly published, what happened would not be even possible or would be so
> foolish that no one would do it.  But these were still choices that
> individuals made in the context that existed.
>
> These choices and those of other board members  - as individuals  -  have
> created an unbearable set of contradictions that need to resolved.  This is
> what we should focus on.  I hope you can see that the HR angle is a a
> distraction from that, as this has nothing to do with WMF staff per se.
>
> Yes we should also urge the board to develop more rigorous procedures and
> to follow them more closely to make it harder for individuals to make bad
> choices, but there is still resolving what did happen, so that we can go
> forward.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:50 AM, Craig Franklin <cfrank...@halonetwork.net>
> wrote:
>
> > To be honest, I consider it unlikely that Patricio or anyone else is
> going
> > to discuss HR matters at length in public, even when they concern Lila,
> and
> > especially when they could potentially be interpreted as negative
> towards a
> > particular identifiable individual.  For legal reasons, it might be the
> > case that the BoT will let Lila have as dignified an exit as possible
> from
> > the organisation, without putting a whole bunch of information into the
> > public domain about how they regarded her performance.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Craig
> >
> > On 7 March 2016 at 16:39, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > +1. I would also very much appreciate Patricio explaining whether the
> > > "full confidence of the board" actually meant the full confidence:
> > > IOW, that a vote was taken and everyone unanimously agreed that Lila's
> > > continuation was the best thing.
> > >
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