But...but...Moushira just acknowledged the point. Gracefully, I think. Can't we simply trust her to incorporate the feedback into future announcements?
For anybody who had trouble discerning what the consultation is about, its first question makes it clear: "How can we make Wikipedia more interactive for Readers?" Great question. -Pete On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Craig Franklin <cfrank...@halonetwork.net> wrote: > Hi Moushira, > > The problem when you use jargon like "ideation" in this context is that > you're essentially excluding anyone who isn't familiar with the particular > terminology used in the field. Especially so when there are plenty of > plain-English alternatives that can be used in its place. Note that there > is a whole bunch of thought from experts that that word in particular is a > particularly obnoxious piece of jargon: > > * http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/26/pf/corporate-jargon/ > * https://hbr.org/2008/08/why-jargon-feeds-on-lazy-minds.html > * > > http://www.lifed.com/10-cringeworthy-business-jargon-examples-that-should-be-banned > > It's hardly the worst example I've seen out of the WMF, but while we're on > the topic it should be pointed out. Just because it's used elsewhere, it > doesn't mean that the WMF has to fall into the same trap. > > Cheers, > Craig > > On 16 March 2016 at 10:07, Moushira Elamrawy <melamr...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > > > Hello Fae, > > > > Ideation phase [0], is a term widely used in product and design context. > > Now, I see your point around how volunteers who are not related to these > > fields, might not be familiar with it. Possibly something like, idea > > generation, or brainstorming could have replaced it. > > > > I am not sure though if the factors that you have listed are relevant; I > > think it is a matter of using a word in a certain context where it > actually > > fits, without realizing how a broader audience would perceive it. > > > > In any case, thanks for the note :-) > > > > [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideation_%28creative_process%29 > > > > Moushira > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 15 March 2016 at 22:33, Moushira Elamrawy <melamr...@wikimedia.org> > > > wrote: > > > ... > > > > The reading team is launching an experiment that supports early > > > engagement > > > > in ideation phase, with a wide variety of users. > > > ... > > > > > > Hi, sorry to target your email with a more general observation, > > > however there seems to be a lot of odd jargon in Wikimedia > > > announcements over the last few months. It would be great to see more > > > 'official' emails aimed at volunteers, written in plain and > > > grammatically complete English. Phrases like "ideation phase" may be > > > frequently used during meetings at the Wikimedia Foundation offices, > > > but are unlikely to be heard in real life by volunteer contributors, > > > and are unlikely to be easily understood outside of corporate America, > > > especially by those without English as their first language. > > > > > > Sorry again about picking at your announcement rather than any other, > > > it just stood out today. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Fae > > > -- > > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>