Hoi Gerard Meijssen et all.,

If there are issue with mobile edits we must take the necessary action to 
protect the wiki and re-users, this might include the aforementioned measures. 
I am sure we won't wast volunteers time.

If there are more problems than benefit... It is speaking for itself.

--Steinsplitter

> From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:51:07 +0100
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects
> 
> Hoi,
> Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler.
> 
> Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I find
> appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate. Nobody
> would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time as a
> movement we desperately need more and more diverse involvement. While you
> may say what you want, it is unconscionable for us to do as you suggest as
> it is fully contrary to what we aim to achieve.
> 
> What we are experiencing is a bump in the road. We have to deal with it but
> throwing the baby with the washing water? REALLY !!
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
> 
> On 19 March 2016 at 15:03, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Adele
> >
> > Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’ relationship
> > with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story [1]
> >
> > Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has
> > been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after
> > regulators have blocked zeropaid schemes due to local concerns.
> >
> > WMF's "complicated" stance has also turned off many like-minded
> > support groups who stand for pure net neutrality - and not WMF's or
> > Facebook's ersatz versions [2]
> >
> > Lastly, if the primary aim of Wikipedia Zero is to gain readership,
> > why not simply disable all mobile edits / uploads from these accounts.
> >
> > David
> >
> > [1]
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/
> >
> > [2]
> > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/
> >
> > On 3/19/16, Adele Vrana <avr...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > > Hi Teles,
> > >
> > > As the head of the Wikipedia Zero program, I would like to respond and
> > > provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing up.
> > >
> > > Last year, the Foundation increased our security and privacy by requiring
> > > HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That change has greatly impacted
> > > the Wikipedia Zero program, and most importantly has also allowed editing
> > > (and not only reading) and extended the scope of zero-rated access from
> > > just Wikipedia to all Wikimedia projects. However, our banners do not
> > > reflect this additional zero-rating, but still only appear on Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > In your message you highlight two main concerns. One would be the upload
> > of
> > > copyrighted materials and overall abuse on Commons. The other concern
> > > regards how the editing community should deal with an influx of new good
> > > faith edits and potential editors in Portuguese, with particular
> > challenge
> > > of the extra work this causes for existing community members.
> > >
> > > Regarding Commons, we have experienced abuse from a few subscribers of a
> > > Zero partner in Angola. Typically what happens is that the pirates upload
> > > copyrighted movies to Commons either directly or in a concealed form
> > (like
> > > huge/split PDFs or JPEGs). Then they promote the links on Facebook or a
> > > similar public forum for others to download. When partners become aware
> > of
> > > this they have flagged it to us and we've, in turn, flagged it to
> > Community
> > > Engagement who has worked with editors to try and make sure it's removed.
> > >
> > > We agree that this is not an ideal way to handle this problem, and we
> > would
> > > prefer to catch it much earlier or simply prevent it outright (without
> > > significant limits being placed on good faith editors). Last fall, we had
> > > internal discussions on finding technical solutions for this problem.
> > > However, we discovered that we could not widely identify traffic from
> > zero
> > > rated partners, and that ability was a prerequisite to address this
> > issue.
> > > As of December 2015, the Ops team was able to complete that work.
> > >
> > > With this task completed, our team, in coordination with community
> > > engagement and engineering is working on finding the best approach to
> > > resolve this issue. Do you have suggestions or guidance? We are eager to
> > > examine multiple approaches and this is a great time to open the
> > > discussion. As we evaluate different approaches, we can also update you
> > and
> > > the list here.
> > >
> > > On the editing topic, the primary goal of Wikipedia Zero is to increase
> > > readership. This is measured in potential reach (through subscriber
> > counts)
> > > and pageviews within regions with Wikipedia Zero partnerships.  There’s
> > not
> > > enough information to show that Zero can also increase editorship, but it
> > > is something we believe is furthered by expanding reading access. So if
> > > that is what is happening in Angola, we see that is a great thing.
> > >
> > > However, we understand that it’s challenging for our existing editing
> > > community to handle a sudden influx of new editors. This seems to be a
> > > crucial and important conversation for the movement at large to have. I
> > > hope we can figure out a way to turn this moment in Angola into an
> > > opportunity to learn how to deal with new readers and editors.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Adele
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which are
> > >> really
> > >> interesting to read -- read them in english --
> > >> https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf  of course I dont
> > expect
> > >> people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them but
> > >> they
> > >> do know the principles of it and what they can do
> > >>
> > >> some points of interest
> > >>
> > >>    - Non protected works Article  9 section c -- news of the day
> > published
> > >>    by the press or broadcast
> > >>    - Chapter IV Uses lawful without Authorisation article 29 section b -
> > >>    reproduction by photographic process or process analogous to
> > >> photographic
> > >>    process by <snip> documentation centres <snip> or teaching
> > >> organisations
> > >>    ..... refers to minimum amount of copies necessary, but wither way
> > >>    Wikipedia would fall into either of these definitions as permitted to
> > >>    reproduce
> > >>    - article 30 - is the key here it enables translation into Portuguese
> > >>    after 3 years without any real restrictions - hence why the pt.wikis
> > >> are
> > >>    having so much of an issue and by extension commons where they
> > >> encourage
> > >>    uploading of media
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Wikipedia zero implementation needs to also consider the implication of
> > >> local laws especially copyright on the projects where the laws are this
> > >> outdated and effectively enable copyright issues then WP Zero could
> > >> provide
> > >> a read only option for IP's or a no upload option,  with a rights
> > request
> > >> process on commons
> > >>
> > >> On 19 March 2016 at 00:45, Lucas Teles <telesw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi, everyone.
> > >> >
> > >> > It is being recently reported on Portuguese Wikipedia and Commons (at
> > >> > least) the increasing ammount of improper editing coming from IP
> > >> addresses
> > >> > located in Angola. Some users believe that this may be related with
> > >> > Wikipedia Zero and a partnership between WMF and a cellphone company
> > [1]
> > >> > that allows reading and editing at free cost.
> > >> >
> > >> > One of the first reactions to that is a large range block that was
> > just
> > >> set
> > >> > on Commons in order to prevent these edits [2], as they are being done
> > >> in a
> > >> > way that volunteers can't handle.
> > >> >
> > >> > That seems to be some kind of "second wave" as the first that hit
> > >> > Commons
> > >> > [3] had been already reported months ago [4] and seemed to be
> > controled
> > >> or
> > >> > just paused for a while. On Portuguese Wikipedia, one thing that
> > seemss
> > >> to
> > >> > be clear is that edits are done in good faith. However, they end by
> > >> > being
> > >> > undone as they are incorrect for some reason, whether being pages of
> > >> files
> > >> > about themselves or just test edits. One of the users identified
> > >> > actually
> > >> > confirm [5] that he is editing through Wikipedia Zero.
> > >> >
> > >> > Concerning that more partnerships may occur in future, I think it is
> > >> > time
> > >> > for us to start talking about ways of dealing with that, other than
> > >> > blocking. Sadly, I don't have an answer to that problem, but I tend to
> > >> > believe that some way of mass reaching these potential users should be
> > >> made
> > >> > out.
> > >> >
> > >> > The current process is that editors will be the ones to notice that
> > (as
> > >> > I
> > >> > am not aware of any kind of follow up by WMF on that) and they will
> > try
> > >> to
> > >> > solve their way, which may cause too many collateral damage.
> > >> >
> > >> > I wonder if there is any kind of way to diminish the problem, by using
> > >> any
> > >> > off-wiki strategy.
> > >> >
> > >> > Kind regards.
> > >> >
> > >> > Teles
> > >> >
> > >> > [1] -
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > http://www.telecompaper.com/news/movicel-offers-free-access-to-wikipedia--1116012
> > >> > [2] -
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Steinsplitter&oldid=190598884#Unblock
> > >> > [3] -
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case
> > >> > [4] -
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Forum&oldid=12835750#Wikipedia_Zero_being_used_to_violate_copyright
> > >> > [5] -
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Darwinius&diff=prev&oldid=45095087
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > *Lucas Teles*
> > >> >
> > >> > *+55 (71) 98290 7553Steward at Wikimedia Foundation. Administrator *
> > >> > *at Portuguese Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons.*- wikipedista.com
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