Hoi Gerard Meijssen et all., If there are issue with mobile edits we must take the necessary action to protect the wiki and re-users, this might include the aforementioned measures. I am sure we won't wast volunteers time.
If there are more problems than benefit... It is speaking for itself. --Steinsplitter > From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:51:07 +0100 > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects > > Hoi, > Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler. > > Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I find > appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate. Nobody > would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time as a > movement we desperately need more and more diverse involvement. While you > may say what you want, it is unconscionable for us to do as you suggest as > it is fully contrary to what we aim to achieve. > > What we are experiencing is a bump in the road. We have to deal with it but > throwing the baby with the washing water? REALLY !! > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 19 March 2016 at 15:03, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Adele > > > > Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’ relationship > > with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story [1] > > > > Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has > > been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after > > regulators have blocked zeropaid schemes due to local concerns. > > > > WMF's "complicated" stance has also turned off many like-minded > > support groups who stand for pure net neutrality - and not WMF's or > > Facebook's ersatz versions [2] > > > > Lastly, if the primary aim of Wikipedia Zero is to gain readership, > > why not simply disable all mobile edits / uploads from these accounts. > > > > David > > > > [1] > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ > > > > [2] > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/ > > > > On 3/19/16, Adele Vrana <avr...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > Hi Teles, > > > > > > As the head of the Wikipedia Zero program, I would like to respond and > > > provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing up. > > > > > > Last year, the Foundation increased our security and privacy by requiring > > > HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That change has greatly impacted > > > the Wikipedia Zero program, and most importantly has also allowed editing > > > (and not only reading) and extended the scope of zero-rated access from > > > just Wikipedia to all Wikimedia projects. However, our banners do not > > > reflect this additional zero-rating, but still only appear on Wikipedia. > > > > > > In your message you highlight two main concerns. One would be the upload > > of > > > copyrighted materials and overall abuse on Commons. The other concern > > > regards how the editing community should deal with an influx of new good > > > faith edits and potential editors in Portuguese, with particular > > challenge > > > of the extra work this causes for existing community members. > > > > > > Regarding Commons, we have experienced abuse from a few subscribers of a > > > Zero partner in Angola. Typically what happens is that the pirates upload > > > copyrighted movies to Commons either directly or in a concealed form > > (like > > > huge/split PDFs or JPEGs). Then they promote the links on Facebook or a > > > similar public forum for others to download. When partners become aware > > of > > > this they have flagged it to us and we've, in turn, flagged it to > > Community > > > Engagement who has worked with editors to try and make sure it's removed. > > > > > > We agree that this is not an ideal way to handle this problem, and we > > would > > > prefer to catch it much earlier or simply prevent it outright (without > > > significant limits being placed on good faith editors). Last fall, we had > > > internal discussions on finding technical solutions for this problem. > > > However, we discovered that we could not widely identify traffic from > > zero > > > rated partners, and that ability was a prerequisite to address this > > issue. > > > As of December 2015, the Ops team was able to complete that work. > > > > > > With this task completed, our team, in coordination with community > > > engagement and engineering is working on finding the best approach to > > > resolve this issue. Do you have suggestions or guidance? We are eager to > > > examine multiple approaches and this is a great time to open the > > > discussion. As we evaluate different approaches, we can also update you > > and > > > the list here. > > > > > > On the editing topic, the primary goal of Wikipedia Zero is to increase > > > readership. This is measured in potential reach (through subscriber > > counts) > > > and pageviews within regions with Wikipedia Zero partnerships. There’s > > not > > > enough information to show that Zero can also increase editorship, but it > > > is something we believe is furthered by expanding reading access. So if > > > that is what is happening in Angola, we see that is a great thing. > > > > > > However, we understand that it’s challenging for our existing editing > > > community to handle a sudden influx of new editors. This seems to be a > > > crucial and important conversation for the movement at large to have. I > > > hope we can figure out a way to turn this moment in Angola into an > > > opportunity to learn how to deal with new readers and editors. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Adele > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which are > > >> really > > >> interesting to read -- read them in english -- > > >> https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf of course I dont > > expect > > >> people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them but > > >> they > > >> do know the principles of it and what they can do > > >> > > >> some points of interest > > >> > > >> - Non protected works Article 9 section c -- news of the day > > published > > >> by the press or broadcast > > >> - Chapter IV Uses lawful without Authorisation article 29 section b - > > >> reproduction by photographic process or process analogous to > > >> photographic > > >> process by <snip> documentation centres <snip> or teaching > > >> organisations > > >> ..... refers to minimum amount of copies necessary, but wither way > > >> Wikipedia would fall into either of these definitions as permitted to > > >> reproduce > > >> - article 30 - is the key here it enables translation into Portuguese > > >> after 3 years without any real restrictions - hence why the pt.wikis > > >> are > > >> having so much of an issue and by extension commons where they > > >> encourage > > >> uploading of media > > >> > > >> > > >> Wikipedia zero implementation needs to also consider the implication of > > >> local laws especially copyright on the projects where the laws are this > > >> outdated and effectively enable copyright issues then WP Zero could > > >> provide > > >> a read only option for IP's or a no upload option, with a rights > > request > > >> process on commons > > >> > > >> On 19 March 2016 at 00:45, Lucas Teles <telesw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi, everyone. > > >> > > > >> > It is being recently reported on Portuguese Wikipedia and Commons (at > > >> > least) the increasing ammount of improper editing coming from IP > > >> addresses > > >> > located in Angola. Some users believe that this may be related with > > >> > Wikipedia Zero and a partnership between WMF and a cellphone company > > [1] > > >> > that allows reading and editing at free cost. > > >> > > > >> > One of the first reactions to that is a large range block that was > > just > > >> set > > >> > on Commons in order to prevent these edits [2], as they are being done > > >> in a > > >> > way that volunteers can't handle. > > >> > > > >> > That seems to be some kind of "second wave" as the first that hit > > >> > Commons > > >> > [3] had been already reported months ago [4] and seemed to be > > controled > > >> or > > >> > just paused for a while. On Portuguese Wikipedia, one thing that > > seemss > > >> to > > >> > be clear is that edits are done in good faith. However, they end by > > >> > being > > >> > undone as they are incorrect for some reason, whether being pages of > > >> files > > >> > about themselves or just test edits. One of the users identified > > >> > actually > > >> > confirm [5] that he is editing through Wikipedia Zero. > > >> > > > >> > Concerning that more partnerships may occur in future, I think it is > > >> > time > > >> > for us to start talking about ways of dealing with that, other than > > >> > blocking. Sadly, I don't have an answer to that problem, but I tend to > > >> > believe that some way of mass reaching these potential users should be > > >> made > > >> > out. > > >> > > > >> > The current process is that editors will be the ones to notice that > > (as > > >> > I > > >> > am not aware of any kind of follow up by WMF on that) and they will > > try > > >> to > > >> > solve their way, which may cause too many collateral damage. > > >> > > > >> > I wonder if there is any kind of way to diminish the problem, by using > > >> any > > >> > off-wiki strategy. > > >> > > > >> > Kind regards. > > >> > > > >> > Teles > > >> > > > >> > [1] - > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://www.telecompaper.com/news/movicel-offers-free-access-to-wikipedia--1116012 > > >> > [2] - > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Steinsplitter&oldid=190598884#Unblock > > >> > [3] - > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case > > >> > [4] - > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Forum&oldid=12835750#Wikipedia_Zero_being_used_to_violate_copyright > > >> > [5] - > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Darwinius&diff=prev&oldid=45095087 > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > *Lucas Teles* > > >> > > > >> > *+55 (71) 98290 7553Steward at Wikimedia Foundation. 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