FWIW, it's clear that the trademark policy is intended to apply to users other than the WMF. This is all a bit overblown, considering the tiny scale of use and money involved.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > Tim, thanks for raising the Trademark Policy. > > Joseph, can you point me to where https://store.wikimedia.org explains > exactly how much of the "donation" is profit going to WMF funds and > how much is administration and costs (both supplier and WMF costs of > administration)? > > My assumption is that "You truthfully advertise to customers how much > of the selling price, if any, will be donated to Wikimedia sites" is > an ethical standard that applies to the Wikimedia Store and Fund > raising department as much as it is it legally required by the WMF for > Chapters or other organizations that sell or create products with the > trademark. > > Thanks, > Fae > > On 22 March 2016 at 13:38, Tim Landscheidt <t...@tim-landscheidt.de> wrote: > > Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> (I must admit that i tested the job a year ago, the product was fine, > the shipment fast. A bit expensive for my taste.) > > > >>> Expensive? The profit adds funds the WMF, surely. > > > >> This is a logical fallacy that many charities fall into, and end up > >> damaging their reputation in the tabloid press when it turns out that > >> 80%+ of donations "disappear" in costs such as commercial fees, paying > >> chugger agencies and bonuses and six-figure salaries for > fundraising/marketing > >> directors, rather than going to the intended beneficiary. > > > >> Here's a highly likely pragmatic scenario... if, say, a $20 "donation" > >> to get a WMF merchandise tee-shirt disappeared as: > >> * $ 12.00 basic transaction and product costs > >> * $ 6.00 profit/fees to intermediary organizations > >> * $ 1.80 WMF administration costs > >> * 20 cents is the outcome "donation" to WMF causes (1%) > > > >> Then yes, the transaction adds funds to the WMF, but in a really > >> crappy way where the system probably cost several times more in WMF > >> staff time to set up than it will make over many years, comparatively > >> huge profit margins are going to unnamed parties (at least unnamed for > >> the purchaser or WMF volunteers), and in a non-transparent way too. > > > > Your point is made much more succinct in the Trademark Pol- > > icy > > (cf. > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy#policy-commercialmerch > ): > > > > | You may make merchandise with the Wikimedia trademarks for > > | commercial use, if: > > > > | - You obtain a trademark license from the Wikimedia Founda- > > | tion; > > | - You follow our Visual Identity Guidelines; and > > | - You truthfully advertise to customers how much of the > > | selling price, if any, will be donated to Wikimedia sites. > > > > The problem is the belief that a charity with a focus on > > distributing knowledge must have its own t-shirt shop, > > probably fostered by firm disciples getting free mugs. > > > > Tim > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>