I agree with all of that, MZ. As to your questions: "Shouldn't we be applauding Google and others for helping us share our knowledge with the world?"
Yes. "What size do you think the Wikimedia Foundation should be in terms of yearly budget and number of full-time employees? How much bigger or smaller should the Wikimedia Foundation be than other Wikimedia chapters?" It depends on what we want them to do. "...are you sure that we're all agreed that this [Google impacting Wikipedia's page views and the ability to raise funds and recruit new volunteers] is problematic?" I'm less concerned than many, and I'm sure others are unconcerned. "If Google causes page views to go down and our sites are directly hit less frequently, that actually saves us money, doesn't it?" If our page views drop by 50% and this halves our fundraising capacity, I doubt that would be offset by the saved hosting costs. But I'm no expert on these things. Anthony Cole On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:46 AM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote: > Anthony Cole wrote: > >Google's "info boxes" and their answers at the top of their results, we're > >all agreed now, I think, are impacting Wikipedia's page views and, > >consequently, our ability to raise funds and recruit new volunteers. > > Google and others have a direct interest in their data being accurate and > reliable. We already see that Google has a "report a correction" feature > for some of its services. It's in both Wikimedia's interest and re-users' > interest for the underlying data source to be update-to-date and correct. > > Our mission is to spread free educational content to the world and we make > our data available for re-use for this purpose. Shouldn't we be applauding > Google and others for helping us share our knowledge with the world? > > As far as threats to direct-to-user fund-raising go, I'd put > organizational instability ahead of Google at the moment. The Wikimedia > Foundation has repeatedly been in the news lately for ongoing management > issues, both in its executive team and in its board of trustees. > > What size do you think the Wikimedia Foundation should be in terms of > yearly budget and number of full-time employees? How much bigger or > smaller should the Wikimedia Foundation be than other Wikimedia chapters? > > Even if we accepted your premise that Google was impacting Wikipedia's > page views and the ability to raise funds and recruit new volunteers > (citations needed, to be sure), are you sure that we're all agreed that > this is problematic? If others re-using our content has a side effect > of reducing donations to Wikimedia Foundation Inc., donations which are > received through questionable and increasingly obnoxious on-site > advertisements, you will not find universal agreement that this donor > reduction would be terrible. As others have argued previously, small and > recurring donations are a means of providing accountability for the > entities entrusted with these monetary donations. If potential donors no > longer trust the Wikimedia Foundation to manage and distribute this > money, no longer donating financially is practical and wise. > > If Google causes page views to go down and our sites are directly hit less > frequently, that actually saves us money, doesn't it? We're theoretically > then off-loading some of our hosting costs to Google, Facebook, and > others who are downloading and re-uploading our data to the Web, exactly > as we mandated that anyone be able to do. With multiple copies of the data > on the Web, we're better ensuring that the content lives on in perpetuity. > > > MZMcBride > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>