Hi Joseph,

No, because board members' first duties are to WMF, not to the community or
the affiliates.

Pine

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 3:43 AM, Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> Does Dariusz as a community selected board member not count?
>
> Seddon
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Tanweer Morshed <wiki.tanw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I agree with Pine on his 3rd proposal. Including a representative from
> the
> > affiliates and another from the community into the search steering group
> > should help including the input from wider Wikimedia community. This
> would
> > be positive both for the search process and the recruitment.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tanweer
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > So you're suggesting we don't find an ED for the biggest org in the
> > > movement because there's a thread on a mailing list about spinning bits
> > of
> > > it off?
> > >
> > > I think hiring an ED can be done safely. Spinning elements off the WMF
> is
> > > something that has already been done, repeatedly, be it duties (the
> FDC,
> > > ish) or departments (see the WikiEd Foundation). In neither case did
> > senior
> > > leadership suddenly find they had nothing to do.
> > >
> > > I guarantee that finding three executive directors is not an easier
> task
> > > than finding one, however you split the duties.
> > >
> > > On Monday, 18 April 2016, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lisa,
> > > >
> > > > Good to hear. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > I'm aware that my first question might feel like it's a lot for the
> > Board
> > > > to digest while it's got so many other urgent issues. However, it
> seems
> > > to
> > > > me that any ED candidate would want to know if spinoffs or a breakup
> > are
> > > > under consideration, and that if these are likely or planned then the
> > > > selection process will need to take theses issues into account when
> > > trying
> > > > to find a candidate with optimal fit. Also impacting the search
> process
> > > is
> > > > that it might be  easier to find two or three EDs for two or three
> > > > separate, smaller, and more focused orgs than to try to find a single
> > ED
> > > > who can handle the wide and deep complexity of WMF in its current
> > form. I
> > > > have faith in Katherine as an interim ED and perhaps even as the
> > ultimate
> > > > selection, and I think that Katherine's abilities will provide us all
> > > some
> > > > time and breathing room to think through questions about possible
> > > spinoffs
> > > > and/or breakup. So, we can take some time to think carefully about
> the
> > > > spinoff/breakup issue before proceeding further with selecting an ED
> > for
> > > an
> > > > organization that is currently very complex and is a significant
> > systemic
> > > > risk in the Wikimedia ecosystem.
> > > >
> > > > Pine
> > > > On Apr 17, 2016 18:51, "Lisa Gruwell" <lgruw...@wikimedia.org
> > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Pine-
> > > > >
> > > > > I can answer your second question for you.  We are moving forward
> > with
> > > > > hiring the CTO, VP of HR, and VP of Community (in that order)
> during
> > > the
> > > > > interim.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Lisa
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com
> > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Alice,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you for moving forward with this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Questions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. One of the characteristics listed is "Experience in leading an
> > > > > > organization as ED or CEO, very preferably an NGO or F/L/OSS
> > > > > > (Free/Libre/Open Source Software) organization, with 250 people
> or
> > > > more."
> > > > > > But recent discussions have included the possibility of spinning
> > off
> > > > > > components of WMF and/or a breakup of the WMF organization,
> partly
> > > as a
> > > > > way
> > > > > > to mitigate the systemic risk from a dysfunctional or
> > underperforming
> > > > > WMF.
> > > > > > So, should we be looking for an ED with the expectation that he
> or
> > > she
> > > > > will
> > > > > > manage an organization with 250+ employees, or should we look for
> > > > someone
> > > > > > who has experience with spinoffs and/or breakups?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Will the hiring for execs for HR, Tech, and Community wait
> until
> > > > after
> > > > > > the new ED is selected, or will those recruiting processes happen
> > > > > > independent of the ED hiring process?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. For the search steering group. would you consider adding a
> > > > > > representative elected from the affiliates, and a representative
> > > > elected
> > > > > > from the community, who are not WMF board members and can
> therefore
> > > be
> > > > > > responsive to the affiliate and community constituencies without
> > > > > potential
> > > > > > conflict with WMF interests?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > Pine
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pine
> > > > > > On Apr 17, 2016 11:37, "Alice Wiegand" <awieg...@wikimedia.org
> > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Finding the next Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director is a
> > clear
> > > > > > > priority for the Board. To address this challenge, the Board
> has
> > > > > created
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > steering group tasked with crafting the actual job description,
> > > > > planning
> > > > > > > and conducting the search, and finding ways to include
> community
> > > > > > > perspectives. This steering group will be regularly consulting
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Board throughout the search process.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please see the ED transition team page on meta [1] to find more
> > > > > > information
> > > > > > > about the steering group, and get the latest updates. We have
> > also
> > > > > > included
> > > > > > > three questions on the participation page to help us start
> > forming
> > > a
> > > > > > better
> > > > > > > understanding of the community’s various opinions and
> > expectations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director_Transition_Team/2016
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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