Dariusz, thank you for your clarification. I understand that translations
take time.

Would you please elaborate on the assumption that the most important
principle of the ED search committee was speed and not, e.g. participation
of a larger part of the community? What would the bad effects of a 2 months
longer search on the WMF be?

I fear that user groups will be underrepresented again (another notable
example is the number of representatives at the WMCON with chapters having
up to four participants and user groups exactly one). There are 59 user
groups and (as well as I could count) only 10 of them will be able to
participate at the survey in their own language. Why was the opinion of 49
user groups considered less worth that a delay of two months?

Best regards,
User:Lord Bumbury / Nikola Kalchev
Wikimedians of Bulgaria, a Wikimedia CEE Spring International organiser

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl>
wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Board search folks,
> > Can you comment in response to the email from Lord Bumbury?
> >
> >
> it is difficult for me to respond, as I agree in principle. I think we
> should have more than just 9 most dominant languages, and as the bottom
> line we should allow for additional translations to be made.
>
> However, the most important principle that the ED search committee assumed
> was speed. For quite a while we have been considering if we can afford
> several weeks for the survey (with translations, before and after, adding
> about a month to our search, over just 1 language version). We decided that
> we definitely need input from the communities other than just the English
> one, but we made a hard choice to go just for the ones we could have had
> speedily translated.
>
> This is highly suboptimal, and I understand Nikola's disappointment. From
> my point of view, this is something we need to improve in the future -
> perhaps by finding a large, multilanguge translation agency (especially
> since the quality of raw output varied and we had to make serious proof
> reading with the help of ad hoc volunteers), and also making translating
> into some 20-30 languages a default in important cases. This time we wanted
> to go with a quick general survey, hoping that the choices we're asking
> about will not differ radically between languages (since our culture is
> very specific). We will know from the results if this intuition was more or
> less right (that is, if there will be significant differences between the
> languages we went with).
>
> best,
>
> dj
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 1, 2016 14:21, "Nikola Kalchev" <nikola.kalc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > about the ED search survey [0] I, as a member of an emerging community,
> > the
> > > Bulgarian one [1], disagree that anyone wants "to invite also emerging
> > > communities". Translating the survey into "the 9 major languages of our
> > > projects" is not enough. Letting emerging communities participate, and
> in
> > > my region [2] there are quite a few active ones, who collaborate on
> some
> > of
> > > the largest projects in the wikiverse like Wikimedia CEE Spring [3] and
> > > Wiki Loves Earth [4]. We might not have large communities, but together
> > we
> > > build a very large and strong one and we work hard for bringing free
> > > knowledge to the world. Depriving those of our members, who do not know
> > > those "9 major languages" of the right to participate in the discussion
> > > about the future of our global movement, does not make me feel that the
> > > wished change in direction transparency transparency is on track; this
> > > rather makes me feel as in a large corporation where a small group of
> > > people decide about the future of the organisation and pretend to
> engage
> > > the masses by populistic pseudo-measures.
> > >
> > > The only two languages of the 30 countries of Central and Eastern
> Europe
> > > among those in the survey are Polish and Russian. 838 active
> Ukrainianian
> > > editors, 658 active Turks, 638 active Czechs, 419 active Serbs, 418
> > active
> > > Hungarians and 5501 active editors from the region in total will not be
> > > able to answer in their own language (reference: Wikimedia CEE Spring
> > > 2016/Goals <
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Spring_2016/Goals>).
> > > I plead that the money that we donate be used for translating the
> > questions
> > > at least in the languages with more than 200 active editors, or at
> least
> > > that volunteers are allowed to translate the questions. Furthermore I
> > > request that in order to get more input the survey runs for a month
> > instead
> > > of a week. Important decisions should not be taken in a hurry.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > User:Lord Bumbury / Nikola Kalchev
> > > Wikimedians of Bulgaria, a Wikimedia CEE Spring International organiser
> > >
> > > [0]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director_Transition_Team/2016/Updates/CW20_update
> > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Bulgaria
> > > [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Central_and_Eastern_Europe
> > > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Spring_2016
> > > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Earth
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Luis Sanabria <lsanab...@ieee.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Alice Wiegand <
> awieg...@wikimedia.org
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Our survey is currently open in the top 10 wiki languages. A sample
> > of
> > > > > editors from various languages have been invited to participate and
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > > also sending an invitations to anyone here and through our
> networks.
> > > > Please
> > > > > participate in the survey and help us to shape the new ED’s
> profile.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I read here [1] that the survey will be open for 1 week.
> > > >
> > > > Does that mean it will be open until June 8 (inclusive)?
> > > >
> > > > Saludos,
> > > > Luis Sanabria
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> __________________________
> prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
> kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
> i grupy badawczej NeRDS
> Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
> http://n <http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl/>wrds.kozminski.edu.pl
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> członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
> członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW
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> Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
> Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
> autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
>
> Recenzje
> Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
> Pacific Standard:
> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
> Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
> The Wikipedian:
> http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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