Hi Sydney, I think that if individual communities create a consensus to mandate training, or if arbitration committees issue that mandate on particular wikis, that's completely fine and good. I'm hesitant to say that WMF should wield a stick to mandate this kind of training for administrators on all wikis until we know that the training is successful; otherwise WMF might push out a set of training with high cost and low effectiveness that would quickly be resented by the community and make any further development in this area nearly impossible.
I could see mandatory training happening further down the road, and it might be a very good thing, but there are important steps before we make that decision. Pine On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Sydney Poore <sydney.po...@gmail.com> wrote: > My suggestion is to come up with a general type training that can work for > all administrators and functionaries since all have the freedom and > permission to do all types of work on WMF projects. And that training > should be mandatory. > > Then people who are focusing on a particular type of administrative or > functionaries work can take more advanced courses that could be mandatory > for doing some types of work. > > Sydney > > > > > > Sydney Poore > User:FloNight > Wiki Project Med Foundation > WikiWomen's User Group > Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Sydney, >> >> Thanks for that link. I think that for now I would suggest avoiding >> making the training mandatory because we won't know how successful it is >> until after we've used it for awhile. After the training has been tested >> and refined based on feedback, and if the consensus is that the training is >> helpful, then at that point we could consider making this a required annual >> training. >> >> I could foresee is that, on wikis that have arbitration committees or >> other systematic ways of dealing with administrators who mess up, the >> ArbComs and/or the community could say that those administrators who have >> demonstrated weakness in areas that are addressed by the training will be >> required to take or re-take the training as a condition of keeping their >> admin permissions. >> >> My hope is that the training will be of such good quality, and so >> interesting and useful to administrators, that many administrators will >> *want* to take the training or at least be curious enough to try it. Big >> carrot, small stick. We can escalate from there if the training develops a >> track record of success. >> >> I would think of success as being measured in two ways: administrators' >> feedback about the training shows a consensus that they found it helpful, >> and communities report higher levels of satisfaction with their >> administrators as shown in the difference between surveys that are done >> before on multiple wikis (1) before the training starts and (2) after 6 or >> 12 months of the training being rolled out. >> >> Comments welcome, including suggestions about how to measure the success >> of the training. >> >> Pine >> >> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Sydney Poore <sydney.po...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight suggested Annual Training during the >>> Harassment Consultation, 2015. >>> >>> >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Harassment_consultation_2015/Ideas/Annual_training >>> >>> If you've not seen it, it is worth your time to read the talk page >>> discussion. >>> >>> Sydney >>> >>> Sydney Poore >>> User:FloNight >>> Wiki Project Med Foundation >>> WikiWomen's User Group >>> Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have created >>>> >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Training_for_administrators >>>> and would welcome feedback there. >>>> >>>> On the subject of block evasion, I have some ideas but would defer to >>>> our >>>> experienced CheckUsers. >>>> >>>> Pine >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
