Thanks James. It would be nice if novice users who prefer VE for content
pages didn't need to learn about wikimarkup for talk pages, or had a
shallower learning curve. My understanding is that some wiki communities
like Flow and others don't. For those that aren't using Flow, are there any
improvements on the horizon for the editing of talk pages, particularly for
novice users? For example, prompts or hints in the editing window regarding
how to edit could be helpful for novice talk page editors (and novice
wikimarkup editors on content pages as well).

On Jun 25, 2016 08:16, "James Forrester" <> wrote:

> On 23 June 2016 at 17:01, Pine W <> wrote:
> > 1. Is Flow feature development still frozen? If and when would Flow
> feature
> > development resume?
> >
> ​Yes, principal development is frozen. Like with all production software,
> urgent bugs and maintenance are still worked on, and we might add some
> minor features.​
> We've not re-prioritised the Collaboration team's work on Flow, and we
> won't do so very soon; the team this coming year are working on improving
> the edit review process
> <> and the
> notifications system. However, after that work is done there are some
> often-requested areas for improvement in Flow which the team plan to
> improve. For example, I know that the fixed threading of discussions is
> irritating to some, and the lack of search is a serious issue. I know that
> the use of Flow for individuals' talk pages as a Beta Feature on several
> wikis has been quite popular, and given us a lot of feedback on how we can
> do better. I look forward to discussing those priorities with everyone
> nearer the time.
> 2. Will VE be enabled on talk pages?
> >
> ​No. This comes up quite often. VE is designed to edit content. Talk pages
> aren't content. Many of the tools and design patterns that make VE nice to
> use to edit content make it poor to use for discussions. ​To make it usable
> for discussions, we would have to remove or break many of those patterns in
> VE. We have spent a lot of time researching with users what works best
> there. I do not think we will make writing reference materials easier,
> simpler and faster by compromising on that.
> 3. Is work planned to improve the Wikitext editor, or will that happen only
> > in the context of integrating it into VE?
> >
> ​Not really.​ ​The work on improving wikitext editing is mostly around the
> wikitext mode inside the visual editor. The department is also working more
> widely on improvements to wikitext itself (like supporting the
> TemplateStyles work, providing balanced templates, and replacing Tidy with
> a modern parser), but they won't have a big impact on the existing
> WikiEditor software.
> ​Thanks for your questions. Happy to answer more. :-)​
> ​J.​
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> James D. Forrester
> Lead Product Manager, Editing
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
> | @jdforrester
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